Josh Trent: Psychedelics, Trauma, and the Power of Breathwork

[00:00:00] Boomer: Welcome to decoding superhuman. This show is a deep dive into obsessions with health performance, and how to elevate the human experience. I explore the latest tools, science and technology with experts in various fields of human optimization. This is your host Boomer Anderson. Enjoy the journey!

Today on the podcast we're joined by Josh Trent. For those of you who do not know Josh, you may have heard of his media company called wellness force, which is now being rebranded as wellness wisdom. And today on the show, we get really, really deep. In fact, it's really cool how open Josh is about his past life experiences.

We talk about plant medicine and how that's helped him go deep into the scars of the past and some of the programming he had growing up. We talked about how that's helped him with his relationships, uh, both with his partner and developing as now a father and we get into breathwork of course, as well as the future of wellness wisdom.

The show notes for this one are@decodingsuperhuman.com slash Josh, and enjoy my conversation with Josh Trent.

Mr. Trent has been a long time coming. Welcome to the show. 

[00:01:47] Josh: Boomer. Thanks for having me. It has been a long time coming. 

[00:01:51] Boomer: Well, you know, you're a man who's, who's had a lot going on recently. You've moved Austin, Texas. You've had a baby. Uh, you've kind of switch. I mean, I wouldn't say you switched gears, but you've had a lot layered on lately, but I wanna take us back here because you know, you got into the health world a while back and I always am curious why people come into this space.

What made you come into the health industry? 

[00:02:22] Josh: The health industry entry point was birthed from my own pain. From my own contrast. I had, uh, a pretty challenging, I guess you could say. Slash growth experience when I came into the world and I think that's the case for many of us, but my story to talk about my mirror, which is a mirror of probably hundreds of millions of people in the world.

Uh, I was born to parents that did the best they could, and there was just certain gaps, right? Physical and emotional gaps that weren't filled. So without the right intelligence, both physically and emotionally fast forward, I'm like 20, 21 years old. And I'm at a party drinking and I'm like 280 pounds at the time.

And shit just hated my body and hated my relationship. Hated my job. Just nothing was working. I mean, it was just like all the alarm bells were going on and I will never forget, man. I, I slammed the cup down boomer and I was like, I can't do this anymore. There's got to be more to life than this. And it was the first time I had really had a connection with some type of a higher power.

You know, some people call it God and I ran home drunk. I ran home drunk for like three miles. And I opened my computer at the time. And I think I typed in like, how do I be healthy? And that led me on this 18 month journey of like losing weight, gaining weight. And then I got so frustrated, I just sold everything I owned and I moved to Hawaii.

But in Hawaii at the age of 25, I found the ocean and I found surfing and I found nature and I found peace and I found stillness. And then I lost weight. Wouldn't you know, it, because I was doing all the things that we were designed to do to be healthy. And I got to this place where I really didn't know what I was gonna do for a new career.

Cuz I had saved up all my money and I had quit my old job. I was a Mercedes-Benz technician and I got to this place where I was working out at a gym one day 24 hour fitness. And the fitness manager came up to me and he was like, Hey, I've seen you lose weight. You did a great job. I ever thought about being a trainer.

And I was like, what's a trainer. I didn't know anything about personal trainer. I didn't even know what it was. And that was a 10 year career for me. Then I, when I left training after about 10 years, um, I went back to corporate America, cuz I wanted safety. I wanted to feel safe. I'm doing bunny ears for everybody listening and through a lot of dark nights of the soul, I actually got fired, which was a beautiful gift.

And when I got fired it, put my back against the wall and it forced me to either decide to live someone else's life or decide to live mine. And that was the big turning point that created the podcast and which is actually shifting and changing again. And then what brought me here to you? so it's a very large nutshell, but that's the nutshell.

[00:05:09] Boomer: Wow. That's uh, fascinating on many levels. So I wanna unpack a little bit of this because. Somebody who is in their twenties in Hawaii. Now you're in Austin, Texas. There's a few stops along the way. Why not just stay in fucking Hawaii, man? Like you, you went from 280 pounds to, I'm guessing you're sub 200 now.

Um, just eyeing here. So I may be a little off, but why not just stay in this sort of semi enlightened state? 

[00:05:50] Josh: Well, because really you can only have any kind of piece or even the road to enlightenment can be paved through experiential learning. Mm-hmm that there's no way in life that, and this is no insult to anyone who's in their twenties or even their mid thirties.

But I feel like we can only really learn by walking the path by being on the path, by having the experience of taking the steps. And when you're 25, you just don't have it. You don't have it like you do when you're in your thirties or in your forties of obviously you can have wisdom, you can have intelligence, you can be very successful at these ages.

But where I was is I was just cutting my teeth in what w wisdom really was. And so in order for me to. Continue this path toward enlightenment, which I don't know if we ever reached that. Honestly, 

[00:06:37] Boomer: I'm just throwing out that. I think I used that word a little bit coy there, but I think 

[00:06:42] Josh: that's, uh, but I got what you mean.

Yeah. I got what you mean. And, and so in Hawaii, there's this beautiful energy, but at the time and even more now, um, being a white person in Hawaii was different. There's a term called how. And it's the white people with splotches on their skin, right? That's the, how cuz they get sunburn so much. And at the time that was very, very, very challenging to, uh, find work.

And I didn't wanna be a trainer in the fitness industry in Hawaii. It just wasn't, it didn't feel like it was the right place to be. So on a subtle level, I knew from maybe my soul's voice, that it was time to go back to the mainland. And of course in the mainland, that's where I really learned how to work with people.

You know, that's where I cut my teeth, training people from all walks of life. Um, I actually, one part of my story is that I lived in Las Vegas for about a year. And when I lived in Vegas, I was training strippers. I was training alcoholic. I mean I was training all kinds of people. And then when I moved back to San Diego, I was working in LA JOA, which is a very, uh, affluent area in San Diego.

So I've worked with so many different types of people and it was through that terrain through that experience. That allowed me to really see what I was doing. And that was, I was shining light on other people and I was doing a great job of helping other people, but what happens to all of us boomers when we shine light on other people, and all we're doing is focused on shining for others, shining for others, the dark parts of ourselves stay dark mm-hmm

And this happens a lot with yoga instructors and fitness trainers, and really anyone in the coaching or, or health industry. And that is as long as I'm serving others, I'm doing great. Well, that that's true. That's one part of, of being embodied. But the other part of being embodied is looking at what your body is, carrying, looking at, what you are not looking at, essentially mm-hmm

And for me, it was a lot of traumas, a lot of past baggage and a lot of things. Needed peace, a lot of things that needed attention. So that's what birthed the road to wellness force. And that's why I couldn't just stay in Hawaii. Although I would love to go back to Hawaii. We'll see. We'll see what goes on with this craziness in the world.

Yeah. With the VAs passports and the forest mandates and all this stuff. 

[00:08:48] Boomer: Yeah. There there's a lot of craziness right now. Um, yes, there is. I want to, and this is kind of gonna be, I don't know if you remember goosebumps growing up where you had to choose the page you go to next, but I want you to kind of take us along a path here, which is, uh, wellness force and then, uh, dealing with trauma, which came first or as is the case with my podcast.

Like I kind of used that as sort of a medium to unpack some of the things I was going through, which for you came first, 

[00:09:24] Josh: I would say. The trauma came first and also in founding the podcast and in hosting the podcast more trauma happened. okay. So I don't think I actually, I actually don't think that to be a human is to have a life free of trauma.

I don't think that's possible. Yeah. I think that's and I'll be very. I think so too, I'll be very clear too. Trauma is like, you can have capital T trauma. You can have lowercase T trauma. So you can have the big Ts that a lot of people know about, which is physical, emotional, sexual abuse. And then you can also have the lowercase T trauma, which is a parent being jealous of a child, a parent neglecting a child, a parent, not knowing how to parent a child and traumatizing a child.

And then the world itself, boomer can be a traumatizing place. You know, I was bullied a lot when I was in school. And that goes for any kid that is different than the perfect picture. So I was fairly unhealthy, fairly overweight when I was a kid and I got bullied. And so there was the trauma of that.

There was the trauma of like not having my dad around to help me process the trauma or to, to help me be a man. And then there was also living with a mom with mental health issues, which that is a trauma of itself. So I received a lot of trauma and, and the beauty in this. And I'm not gonna bypass this.

The beauty in the trauma that I experience and that we all experience is that the deeper you are cut, the deeper you can serve. And I've never really said that on a podcast before, and I've never even thought that till right now, when I'm cut deeply and I have the wisdom to heal, then I'm not projecting any of my wounds on anyone else.

In other words, my wounds don't cloud my wisdom. So, but wisdom can only be attained through challenge through solving problems. Otherwise we would all just be born wise and we wouldn't need to learn anything. So I would say that it it's a continuum. And even with wellness force now, you know, we're shifting the name of the show because when I started, it was about force and as you know, power versus force force can be a tornado force, can be a, a stallion, but force can't always be trusted.

Power can always be trusted because power comes from peace, true power. And so we're changing the name to wellness wisdom with Josh trans instead of wellness force, because wellness force was about me not living someone else's life and me moving forward. And at the time it served me, but I had the wisdom to know now that, that the way I was in the past no longer serves me because I'm a different human I've literally, I guess, as you would say, I've, I've been decoding my superhuman, you know, inside and I've been really understanding, well, what, what are the codes that I got from mom and dad from society that don't serve me?

And then how do I be this incredible human being from my son, for my partner, for my business. Uh, I'm always looking at my codes, always looking at my codes. So 

[00:12:24] Boomer: I wanna go into some of those codes to the extent you're willing to, to walk through the quote unquote value of the shadow death, right with me.

Um, and because it's something I. Recently, uh, not recently over the past couple of years started to unpack myself a lot of these sort of social cultural programs. Uh, but you mentioned something there and I'm gonna try and take you there if you're willing to go the deep cut. And if you're willing to heal from that place of that deep cut, what is, or what was that deep cut for you?

[00:13:03] Josh: I mean, multiple deep cuts, right? Multiple deep cuts. So the first would be, um, relationships that were offering me wisdom that I was hurt by that at the time I thought were my fault, or I thought the world just had it out for me that I wasn't supposed to be in relationships. And the deep cuts that come in my life, like all of ours, but for me specifically was relationships ending like relationships where I would be with a woman for a few years and then it would end.

And then I would be with a woman for a few years and then it would end. And I got to this point where I started to just protect my heart because things weren't working out and it wasn't until I found really work specifically via plant medicine, that I was able to go to a place inside of me from a cellular, from a somatic level that allowed me to see what was really going on and what was really going on was I did not know, first of all, how to forgive myself.

I did not know how to forgive other people. And I was carrying all this resentment and the lack of forgiveness that was really coming out sideways in pornography addiction, in drug use in alcohol use in shopping, in any fill, fill in the blank. I mean, we all find ways to get out of our body when the body doesn't feel safe.

And so for me, it was relationships. It was, um, forgiveness around my father, forgiveness around my mother, forgiveness around past women that I had been with and really the biggest, most potent journey, forgiveness of myself, forgiveness of myself, for a lot of things that I've done that, you know, I'm not proud of.

And I also have compassion for myself because of the choices I made that time. They were the best I could do. And a lot of this stuff that I'm sharing with you is easy to intellectualize. Yeah. It's really easy for me to be here with you on this show and say, we must forgive. You know, we have to look at ourselves and, you know, just, just forgive boomer, just forgive.

It's almost a, a placated platitude that, that we see in the world where it's like, love is all there is, and just forgive yourself and just love others. Love the neighbor as myself, but to actually embody these things. And I, and I cover this a lot in my work and with people that I work with, it's this arc of intelligence that allows us to get cut and then heal.

And when we get cut, the deepest cuts offer the most potent wisdom, but the deepest cuts, you have to have courage to heal. Those and courage can only be cultivated by you doing hardened things, facing your fears, doing the real work, to build that courage for yourself, then your brain, your soul, your heart, your ego, they all connect and they go, okay, we are worthy.

We can heal. We can bounce back from things that happened to us. And actually they haven't happened to us. They happened for me. And it's not a way of bypassing. It's, it's a way of saying, you know what, when the relationship didn't work, when my parent hit me or when my, you know, spouse, didn't when my spouse left me, whatever it is for me or you or any of us, it's a way of reclaiming our power when we reframe our words, because if I can reclaim my power by saying, you know what it happened for me, fuck that it happened for me because if I believe the other way, that life is happening to me and oh my God, my, my parents did this.

And my person left me in like that serves us for a time. Cuz anger is more powerful than despair, but once I get past anger and I start growing into courage, well, once I pass courage, I have to reframe how I'm explaining things to myself and to others because. If I'm not, it's more than just a disservice.

It's a disempowerment. It's how I stay stuck. It's how we stay stuck. As people, we don't forgive, we make it other people's problems. And quite frankly, it could have been their fault. It really could have been a lot of things that have happened to all of us happened for us because somebody per us, somebody cut us real deep or even we cut ourselves.

And so to round it out here, like when I have the courage to really turn to myself, to turn to the ways that I've acted towards, towards others, to turn to the things that have hurt me the absolute most and do the integrative work to make peace with that. That's when you can really have an amazing life.

But until that happens, there's really no healing because there's no courage that's been built and courage only courage is really the fuel to. 

[00:17:41] Boomer: Wow. Okay. I, I'm gonna ask you to get tactical here because I think there's people that are, are hearing this and everybody, as you mentioned earlier, has some sort of trauma, but when we go really, really deep, it could be fucking frightening right?

At you you're confronting something that you've hidden in your past, and sometimes you don't even know you had to deal with and whether it's plant medicine or something else brings it up, uh, take us through if you're willing to share like a specific example and how you kind of work through it. Like, did you bring in a coach?

Was it, you know, was it plant medicine? Was it, I mean, you mentioned breathwork as well. Sure. Yeah. How did you kind of break that down and get out of it?

[00:18:26] Josh: So the, the most powerful thing I could offer in this moment is the truth and the truth may not be easy for people to hear. In my development of self and in my courage building process, I found plant medicine, which is, you know, ayahuasca and psillycibin specifically, which they then lit, led to breathwork, which I know we were gonna touch on today.

And I really believe that the breath is the anchor for all of us. I don't think plant medicine is for everyone. So what I'm about to share comes with a caveat that it's my story. It's not yours. You get to create your own and you get to have the safety and the precautions in place to, to use entheogens and psychedelics in a very, very mindful way.

So in 2014, I began this journey and I started to get deep introspection. And in 2018, I actually went down to Costa Rica, did four ceremonies in a row, which was very potent. Went back again in 2019, did four more ceremonies, but on the fourth night of the last ceremony, which was actually. My, my doesn, I was my number 12 ceremony.

It was my 12th ceremony, total that I had done with Ika and it took me to a place. It was this medicine called Yahoo. Cause I was going there because I was struggling. I was struggling with not being safe in my body, all the ways that I had trained people in the past and all the personal moment work. And even, you know, at that point, a couple hundred podcast episodes, it wasn't really healing me.

It wasn't really giving me the peace inside and the peace inside was being devoured by a ghost. And the ghost name was addiction. It was an addiction to internet porn to watching pornography. And also, I, I think I probably had maybe an undiagnosed sex addiction, which I think a lot of men have and they just don't wanna own it.

You know, a good way to tune into that is just to see if you go a while without sex. Can you still be at peace? And if not, then you probably have an addiction. So I, I got my ass kicked so hard in this ceremony, boomer. That I had a psychic break. I had a psychic shattering and it brought me to my knees. I mean, I came back home.

I couldn't concentrate. I, I was having thoughts that were just incredibly challenging. I mean, the darkest night of the soul that I would wish on no one, uh, I thought I was losing my mind. I actually thought I was going crazy. And they were very dark, like sexual thoughts, super dark. And it got to the point where I was so scared.

I was actually concerned for my wellbeing. That first of all, I knew I would never do ayahuasca again. I knew that I had gotten my eternal slap because a lot of the healing that I received was around, uh, sex. It was around abusive sex, which is a very sacred, if not the most sacred energy in the world. And I went to a healer, his name's Paul shack.

He's a mentor of mine's friend of mine. Yeah. In San Diego. And, and he helped me clear this entity. I had an entity that I had absorbed from someone else. That's another thing is I was in a ceremony space that had 70 people in it, which is terrible. I did not know that, that wasn't, 

[00:21:36] Boomer: you can absorb a lot in that kind of a space 

[00:21:38] Josh: and absorb a lot.

You can absorb a lot. And that, that center, which I'm, you know, I don't name them because they have a very powerful legal team. But I think everybody knows that knows anything about me or does a quick search online, uh, any center that has 70 people sit. um, in my opinion is interested in money, not in healing.

So anyways, long story short, very long story short took me two years to do the deepest work. I felt like I was a monk. I mean, every day of my life, I was either, uh, healing with my, my woman, my partner, Carrie, or I was doing work on myself. And this all happened when we came together. I mean, we came together, I met her and then this break happened.

I mean, it was profound. It was surreal, the timing of everything. So I'm grateful for the psychic break. I'm grateful for the trauma. I'm grateful for the cut. I'm grateful for the wound because it gave me the courage to understand exactly why I was watching porn in the first place or why I was going to, uh, women in an unconscious way, sexually in the first place.

And that was, I didn't feel loved. I didn't love myself. I didn't understand what loving yourself actually was, cuz it was never modeled me and it's never modeled to any of us. And when I didn't love myself, I was constantly seeking that deep breath of love, that peacefulness of love from a screen, from a woman, from a substance, whatever.

And I think to be human is to have certain needs that must be met, but to be, to be, as you call it like a superhuman, if you really wanna be superhuman, you have to be willing to, to walk this road of self love and on the road of self love. First of all, you, you have to accept that you may not even have it.

You don't even know where to go, but you have to be able to follow breadcrumb. And I believe, and I'm open to this changing, but I believe that anyone on the path of true self love, where they really love themselves. And, and it's something that you feel from them, they're going to receive massive wounding on that path.

It's part of the path. It's part of the path of being superhuman. You, you get wounded so that you grow courage to heal, and many people don't heal and that's okay too. Cuz sometimes the cut is real deep. And so it comes down to us if we want to choose to heal or not. So that was the biggest, I, I would say probably the biggest wound I've ever had in my life actually.

Yes. Um, I've never thought about it in that frame. So it's a great question cuz I've never really sat and thought what is the most deepest cut ever had in my life? That was it. I mean, when you lose your mind, literally when your mind is shattered and the native Americans call it soul loss, when you have that experience happen for you.

You cannot bypass the, the wisdom that needs to be allocated. You cannot just sprint to the solution and say, oh, well it happened for me. You can't do that. You actually have to go through the trenches of learning. What it really is to love yourself. And by the way, I think that's a lifelong journey. Yeah. I think that when we peel one layer of self love, there's another, and then there's another.

And I think to the degree, I love myself. That's the degree I have peace and then power comes from peace and then wisdom comes from. Wow. 

[00:25:08] Boomer: Uh, the analogy that I always go to here is like the unpeeling, the layer of the onion and just the yeah. Continued journey. Right? 

[00:25:16] Josh: Um, well, you know what happens when you peel an onion?

Boomer, you're gonna cry. that's, 

[00:25:21] Boomer: uh, that's, it's very, very true. 

[00:25:23] Josh: Um, you're gonna cry, man. Yeah. Peel an onion. 

[00:25:26] Boomer: And so I guess you touched on something there that I think is very important, especially in this world that we live in, where, um, psychedelics is becoming more and more popular plant medicine and Degen choose your term is becoming more popular.

Right. And as you rightly disclose, it's not for everybody, but, um, what do you think? I, I guess, What do you think would've been better about that last ceremony you went through? Um, if you were to structure the ceremony, what would you, and to the extent that you use plant medicine still, like, what do you look for?

Because I imagine like room of 70 people you're automatically like, thanks, but no thanks. Um, but things like integration didn't seem to be considered there. Uh, what, what do you look 

[00:26:18] Josh: for now? What I look for now in any type of ceremony and it doesn't have to be purely psychedelics. This is a framework that you can apply to any type of ceremony.

It could be a breath work ceremony. It could be a Kau ceremony. Mm-hmm it could be of a pasta meditation. It could be plant medicine of any kind, right? Whether it's ayahuasca or DMT or Sam, Pedro, all these things. The very first thing is the come from, to come from is number one, because. The, the integration and the work that's needed after ceremony is very powerful, but it's not even as powerful as this, the come from of how I go into a ceremony is the most important thing.

Here's the come from. If I'm being pulled to a ceremony, that's how you know that it's a good come from. If I'm pushing myself to go, if I'm being pushed or forced to go to a ceremony, either from my ego or from a friend, or from comparing myself to the healing that others have had, therefore I should do what others have done.

That's the wrong come from. And you're asking for, you're asking for trouble. , you're asking for, for a lot of drama there. So get clear within yourself. If, if you're a high achiever, if you're a high performer, if you're on this path of, of. Really embodying what it is to be superhuman, to be like the best human being you could be.

The very first place you have to start is what has my come from? Do I feel pushed or do I feel pulled? You'll know, you'll feel pulled when there's a curiosity you're pulled. When there's something curious, pulling you, because you wonder what might happen. And you wonder intuitively that if you follow this breadcrumb and you go with your intuition, that you may receive some healing, or you may receive some information, that'll really help you.

But when you push yourself and you say, if I don't do this ceremony, I'm gonna kill myself. If I don't do this ceremony, I'm gonna die. If I don't, that's the wrong thing. That's the wrong come from. So that's the first, the second is when you go into the space, make sure that you've had conversations with the shaman or with the person leading it.

And you actually on a somatic level, trust them. If you get red flags in your stomach, your throat, or your solar plexus, and those red flags are telling you not to do it, don't do it. Don't do it now. Notice, I didn't say the mind. Because it's really easy for the ego and the mind to say, ah, it's too, it's not safe.

It's this it's that you'll feel in your body through somatic training, a really good resource for that is mark Wolins work. Uh, it didn't start with you. It's a tremendous resource. Also Besol Vander COLS work. Um, the body keeps the score or anything gab or my TA talks about. So, so when you go into the ceremony and speak to the person, secondly, make sure that there's no one in that circle that is potentially giving you the same feelings of somatic red flags going off, because it's very important that the ceremony space is small too.

You don't wanna do ceremony with more than like 10 or 20 people. It's just, it's just not possible to contain the energy in that way. And then lastly, the most important thing. When you get to the end of the ceremony and when there's time for integration, that you really work with someone who's skilled and experienced at unpacking the wisdom that you received in a ceremony.

So those, those compartments, those three compartments that we described, they're the most important thing, because I'll share this one thing that has been said by, I think, a couple other people, but I heard Jordan Peterson say it. He said, when you go into these ceremonies and when you go into the four and five B, be careful of unearned wisdom, be careful of unearned wisdom because you may get wisdom that you're not ready for.

And when you're not ready for wisdom, it could crack your psyche. It's um, 

[00:30:07] Boomer: I, nobody on this show has ever really laid it out like that before. So I want to thank you for that. And I know myself personally, I've only really done these experiences in the context of maybe max five people and somebody that's beautiful and somebody that I've, I've trusted for a very long time.

Um, yeah, but again, I've only been delving into the plant medicine psychedelic world for the past couple of years. So it's a relatively new experience for me, but thank you, um, for laying out that framework so that others can, can go down that path. Now I want to come back to that moment where you went back to corporate America, you tried your hand there.

Things were probably going well. And then, you know, Shit happens. We get laid off, et cetera, backs against the wall. You come out firing. Why the fuck did you choose to go down the podcast route? 

[00:31:14] Josh: Because it had been something that was nodding away at my soul for years. And I knew I wanted to do it extremely badly more than almost anything else, but I didn't believe in myself.

And this goes back to the self love. I didn't believe in myself enough to pull the trigger and do it because look, as you know, being an entrepreneur is incredibly tumultuous. It is very volatile. It comes with a lot of ups and downs. And if you don't know that all you do is you see that story from other entrepreneurs.

So all of my entrepreneur friends, they were telling me, okay, one month I'm good. The next month I'm literally selling things, you know, to make payroll. And I'm like, do I trust myself enough to go through that? Cuz it's not for everyone. Being an entrepreneur is not sexy. It's it's not something to be like.

I, I do think it's something to be celebrated. I do, but I don't think it's something to be, um, put on a pedestal or to be sexualized or glamorized. 

[00:32:12] Boomer: I'm glad you said that because there's a lot that goes on that because we all read headlines, right? Like, you know, Zuckerberg's what younger than me. Maybe I actually don't know.

Um, and you know, worth gazillions of dollars, but there's a lot, that's not talked about like the selling of stuff online so that you can just make payroll. Right. And so, yes, I completely agree with that and sorry I interrupted you there. 

[00:32:39] Josh: No, it's great. It's a good point to make and it goes for everyone.

That's that's out there in the world who is working on your dream. Your dream does not have to mean that you have your own business. I wanna really be clear about that because everybody wants to be an entrepreneur. There is a price to be paid for being an entrepreneur, just like there's a price to be paid for being an employee too, but don't let the label dictate the path of your dream.

Don't let a label dictate that path. So, anyways, um, for me, when I had been a trainer for so long, I, the past four years of being a trainer, I, I was an entrepreneur. I had my own business. I worked out of a studio. I paid rent and I trained clients. And once I started doing that, I was like, wow. I, I don't know if I could ever go back to working for someone again.

But, um, in 2011 I had this incredibly powerful dark night of the soul where I ended up leaving San Diego. I moved to mammoth lake. I didn't know what I was wanted to do with my life, but I knew it wasn't training, you know, and I. I came back to San Diego and I've just floundered around for about a year.

And I was like, I don't know what I wanna do. Actually, I did. I looking back, I did know what I wanted to do. I wanted to step out into the world and lead conversations that had merit, that had value that would help people. But I was needing this time to flounder almost like a, a caterpillar and a crystals, you know, before it becomes the butterfly I needed to squirm and wiggle and liquefy and go through all this crap so that I would have something to share so that I would actually have something to share with the people.

And so I had to go through that. And so when I went back to corporate America, it's because I quote, needed money. You know, I needed money. I needed to, I needed to have like food and rent and I needed to take care of practical things, but there wasn't a day that go, that went by where I didn't have a moment where when I closed my eyes.

My soul would tell me you're in the wrong space. You're in the wrong place. Get out of here, get out of here. Like that's what I would poise hear. And when I got fired in late, um, 2014, when I got fired, it was the most beautiful gift because it was sheer terror where I didn't know where my money was gonna come from.

And it was also massive liberation where I didn't care anymore. Because right around that time, I broke up with a woman. I thought I was gonna be with, I put my mom in a mental home and I got fired from that corporate job. I mean, it was all in this span of like six months. It was like, it was like, boom, boom, boom.

Wow. And it was nasty. it was nasty. I could laugh at it now, but at the time, I mean, it was, it was the worst. But, but honestly the psychic break was the worst. This was actually the second worst. So in this space, I made it packed with God. I, I, I had been angry at God for a long time. I kneeled down on a golf course in the middle of the night, like two in the morning, I was renting a little spare bedroom, cuz I had just gotten fired from a, from a buddy of mine.

And I started the podcast from that space, just got fired, just broke up, living in a spare bedroom at a friend's house, interviewing somebody like interviewing Dr. John Gray on a rickety plastic laptop with a crummy mic. in 2015. And I just made a pack with God that night and I was crying and I said, I don't know exactly how this is gonna go, but if you want me to lead a life where I'm working for someone else and I'm, I'm fueling someone else's dream, then just kill me cuz I don't want to, I don't want to be here anymore.

So I just said, I'm, I'm willing to die. And if you, if you want me to go that other path, that's not what I want. So show me the way, you know, show me the way forward, whatever that way is. And that's, that's what led us to here, you know, seven years later, 20, 22. Um, and of course that path hasn't been free of rocks either, but at least it's a path that my soul feels good about that.

I at least know I'm moving in the right direction for, 

[00:36:45] Boomer: you mentioned the rocks and I, I, I do like kind of going behind the kimono a little bit with people like yourself, because from the outside, like, Hey, your brand's done fantastic. You're doing well. You know, you have a, a great family, a reasonably free life.

Right. Um, but there's. There's shit that goes into that, that I don't think people understand. Can you take us through some of like the key steps for you in kind of growing what was called wellness force, um, to where it is today? Like what were the key steps and take us through some of those rocks and how you navigated them 

[00:37:27] Josh: in the beginning, you must follow your hunger.

You must follow anything at all that you can devour, whether it's 25 podcast interviews a month, whether it's writing a blog post every day, I mean, literally whatever you can do to cut your teeth, to start grieving what it is that you are and what you're representing, you have to do that. You have to do that.

I would say for maybe a year or two. You literally have to go through not the motions, but you have to go through the act of creating to figure out what type of creation feels good for you. There is no shortcut. There is no Willy Wonka golden ticket. The path is very straight and very narrow. And when you get pulled off that path by shiny squirrel syndrome and shiny object syndrome, uh, it's, it's actually gonna take you longer.

The path will, will be a lot longer. If you try to skip that first part, and that is create every day and through your active creation, you will learn what resonates with you the most as a creator. And then you'll get to a point where your creation won't be so hard anymore. It won't be. So it won't feel like a grind all the time.

Of course it will feel like grinds sometimes because that's the nature of, of growth, right? Growth is supposed to be uncomfortable sometimes. Otherwise it wouldn't be growth. You would just levitate on the cloud with, with angels. So in the beginning for the first two years, that's what I did. And it wasn't until I met with a, a coach where I hired a coach and he asked me a big question.

He was like, what are you most afraid to share? And I was like, I'm leading this wellness podcast in my life is not well, that's what I'm most afraid to share. And he's like, well, share that, share that because that's more believable, that's more trustable. That'll get you to a place where you will have everything you've ever wanted because you're sharing with the people about the things that you're most afraid to share, which is exactly what they're feeling too.

And that was it. That was the turning point where things started to really take off after that, because I was actually sharing what was bothering me, what was stressing me, what was concerning me the most. And then in that place, once I had a more experience under my belt, then I started getting bigger names on the show and I started having.

Somewhat small fragmented relationships with those guests and slowly but surely those little fragmented relationships became better relationships. And then they became better friends and it was from those people that I was seeking wisdom from anyways. And so when I got to the place where, um, you know, I guess you could say maybe it was a couple years ago where the audience was big enough to support itself and the sponsors were paying for the show and we had our affiliates that were doing well.

I have literally not stopped. And you know, it has, it has taken a toll as well because the process of self-love that I talked about before it continues to unfold for me now. So I might interview like some of the most amazing people in the world and, and I'm right there with them. Like I'm holding the conversation, it's going great.

There's value. There's vulnerability. It's, it's beautiful. But. Voices sometimes pop up for me that say like, oh, you, you should have done better. You should have asked this question. You should have written this copy. You should have done that. And that should monster. I don't know if it ever goes away. So I think if we looked at, if we, if we go 30,000 feet above how, how I grew the podcast and how I am an entrepreneur, I actually would offer myself more patience and, and ask myself to go slower.

But I think boomer, I think myself would turn to me and say, are you sure? Because the paradox of this is we all want to go slower and we all want to be at more peace and we all wanna have, you know, an entrepreneurial life or freedom in some way, maybe just freedom. Not everybody wants to be an entrepreneur.

You have to be willing to pay the price for that and the price that's paid for. Um, cutting your own path in a jungle, making your own money, being your own boss that comes with an incredible amount of responsibility. And that responsibility is something that, uh, will bring out all of your shit, because just like an advice, when you apply pressure to something, the insides will leak out at their weakest point.

So entrepreneur entrepreneurism is advice that compresses people. And then of course you stack onto that being a parent, being a partner, , that's more pressure on the vice. So it's a beautiful thing because it's showing me, or it shows us where we need attention. Wherever the center of me is leaking out when, when pressure is applied.

Well, that's the point where I need to look at, and then I also have to be honest with myself and say, is that too much pressure? Can I actually say no and take off some of that pressure as well? Um, that's the journey, right? The knowledge of those two things. 

[00:42:31] Boomer: Amazing. Um, thank you for sharing that. I, I know sometimes, um, oh shit.

You just read any mainstream media article right now. It's all glitz glamor and like take a company from zero to a couple billion, raise an IPO, et cetera. Right. But yeah, it's nice to hear what the, the, you so beautifully put rocks in the river are and how you've navigated them. What made you, uh, how did you stick to the, the path?

Right? Because the shiny objects are so damn tempting. It's like you go from, you could be anything from like this stupid Instagram bot to like the, um, you know, going from podcast to YouTube to back to podcast. How did you like stay on the straight and narrow? 

[00:43:20] Josh: Because I remembered how much pain I was in, in 2015.

And I knew that whatever pain I was experiencing, whatever rock I was experiencing, it was nothing compared to the pain that I had experienced before. And I think that was really it. And, and, you know, I wish it was a different way. It's funny. I just, I just interviewed someone yesterday and I asked him this question.

I was like, do you feel like on the path to mastery and on the path to, you know, having a dream life that, that it doesn't have to be so painful that we don't have to suffer. And he was like, no, and he's like, I've never known anyone that didn't suffer and didn't have to deal with a lot of pain to, to acquire their dream life.

Yeah. And I think that's what we sign up for when we're here. So what kept me on the path was knowing that the pain of the past and the pain of the pain of what was lurking, I've heard someone say this once your, your darkness is always in the corner doing pushups. Like your darkness. It's always waiting for you.

Like every moment your darkness is doing pushups in the corner, waiting for you. Like Uhhuh, come on, bitch. I got you. Like, it's always waiting for you. So when I give my darkness fuel, well then, you know, then my darkness stands up and he is like, haha, let's see what I can do to just destroy your life right now.

It's always there. That darkness is always there. So being friends with the darkness is being playful with the darkness and saying, I know you're doing pushups, but you ain't gonna give me today. You ain't gonna give me today darkness because I know you're there. Now. What helps us not get devoured by our own darkness or, or by our own?

Really? I guess you could say dark matter, dark energy is the, the promise to keep going. It's the promise to keep going that that's. Helps us when people give up, when people say I'm done, I don't care. Apathy is the biggest killer, apathy and cynicism. If, if, if you are experiencing apathy and cynicism, I don't think there needs to be any rationale for that.

I don't think you need to give that any kind of spaced or time you have to immediately shift your state if you're feeling apathetic. And if you're feeling cynicism, because there's nothing good that comes from those emotions, there's nothing good that comes from them. Only. The only thing good that comes from them is the fact that they're there and then you choose not to experience them.

Um, now other emotions need, need work, right? If you're feeling anger, if you're feeling sadness, if you're feeling grief, those things need attention. Um, but apathy and cynicism, there's no place for those. And, and. Whether, whether you wanna be an entrepreneur or not, or whether you just wanna have a dream life, if you are experiencing apathy.

And if you're experiencing these, these dark energies of cynicism, um, immediately shift your state and E and don't worry about why they're there or who you got them from or any of that. Um, it's the same way that if you put your foot in boiling water, you would remove it, right? Yeah. Well, apathy and, and cynicism are boiling water for your dreams.

All right. 

[00:46:38] Boomer: So I think you, you kind of gave me the, the bump set here. I'm hoping you can spike shifting you. Your state you've mentioned earlier, breathwork kind of came up in one of your ceremonies. Is that your number one tool for shifting state in this case or what's yeah, what's the go tool, two box toolbox for Josh Trent.

And you know, if. We're gonna go down there out of breathwork. What kind of tips can we give people here?

[00:47:09] Josh: So it's interesting because in 2016, this is actually before the psychic break with I wasta iowaska, I went to a event called unbeatable mind. It was from a guy named mark Debby. Who's a retired Navy seal.

And he took us through, yeah, it's got an incredible CACO event or something like that, right? Yes. Yeah. Not for everyone. it's like 40 hours of no sleep and like wet, wet uniform getting beat. Like it's just intent the most intense training in the world. Yeah. Um, so anyways, I, I go to his event and I'm doing the, breathwork the warrior breathing at that time and I just start crying and I'm like, why am I crying?

What is the hell is going on here? Why am I crying? What is this? And I, it sparked so much healing in me and so much curiosity that I was, again, I was pulled to something, right. I was pulled to figure out why. And the more I started to learn about breath work and practice it. The more I realized that it could release trapped energy, truly release trapped energy, not in a spiritual woo woo way.

Although it is spiritual and it is woo woo. But it's fricking scientific. Yeah. Look at, look at any animal in nature. When an animal gets like, for example, when a, when a gazelle gets chased by a cheetah and survives the gazelle shakes its body, and then it goes right back to eating grass. Well, why is that?

It's because that is their stress response to somatically move energy through their system. So we are the same way. We are animal we're half beast, half spirit. So when I do breath work properly and, and there's a couple ways which I'll describe, I have a somatic release. I literally shake off the trauma, the energy, the stored tension from the cheetah and the cheetah could be your parents, not loving you, your job being stressful, your wife, yelling at you, all these things.

That's the Chee. We all experience the cheetah. And so when, when we do breathwork properly and, and where I start with breathwork is posture. I think the best way to learn breathwork is actually laying on your back with, you know, maybe take a five pound weight, put it on your belly button. You have to identify your breathing pattern first.

So laying your back, put a five pound weight or something on your stomach. And when you inhale through your nose, the weight should lift to the ceiling. When you exhale through your mouth, the weight and your belly button should move close to your spine. And if that's not there, then start there. That's the first place you start.

And then once you get that great, then set up or stand up and do your breathing, sitting your standing. I like sitting and your spine, uh, your hips, your spine in your head will all be stacked straight. Imagine there's a string pulling your head to the roof and when you breathe and when you really breathe, like there's a balloon behind your belly button.

And that balloon, when you inhale nose, the balloon fills. So inhale nose, fill the balloon. Exhale, mouth collapse, the balloon, let all the air out when you do that circular breathing. And we could just do three breaths right now. So if you put both hands on your stomach and take a so inhale nose, fill the balloon, exhale collapse, the balloon belly to spine.

So you would notice if you're here with us on YouTube or on the video that my shoulders stayed down, my shoulders didn't go up and down. So Dr. Belise ran taught me that, that you, you should never breathe vertically. You always breathe like an animal. You breathe horizontally. When you breathe vertically, you breathe like this.

When you breathe horizontally, you breathe like this. And so just doing those 6, 10 20 of what we just did this conscious, connected, circular breaths. And actually the breaths that we would use would have no pauses whatsoever. So they would look and feel like this.

that would be more of a conscious, connected breath. Mm-hmm those are the building blocks for you to do the three phases of breathwork. The three phases of breathwork are number one is acute that's stress type breathing. So it's stage presence. It's, uh, triggered breathing. It's um, maybe I'm having some issue with my work and I feel like I'm really angry.

So there could be like some proma some breath of fire breathing. Mm-hmm so all these acute style breathwork practices that we talk about in the brief program, all these acute style practices are built to get you back in state of peace right away. Mm-hmm , you know, within 60 to, to 60 seconds to three minutes.

And the next phase of breathing is meditative. This is more proactive breath. So this is like in the morning when you wake for seven minutes or even 21 minutes meditating with. Or just doing breath as a meditation and then the last phase of breathing that people like to run to. But I really caution against this is catharsis breathing.

This is your more whim H and Stan gro and holotropic breathing mm-hmm . So those three phases of breath, you know, we cover these phases in the program because I wanted to give people a practical space that was safe. First of all, cuz you can have very tremendous psychedelic experiences with breathwork. I mean, I've, I've had experiences where I'm literally feeling and experiencing things that aren't even mine, just from breathing and I'm crying and my body shaking.

And I, I see it with a lot of people as well. Um, the breath is in my opinion that the most powerful anchor we could ever have when it comes to modulating our stress. So that's, that's my go to boomer is I will, you know, every day do some type of breath practice, whatever the day calls for and, and modulate from that place.

All right. So 

[00:52:58] Boomer: Josh, I wanna be cognizant of your time. I have a few final questions here. Yeah, we're good. 

[00:53:03] Josh: Uh, so in terms of, um, life, 

[00:53:07] Boomer: as an entrepreneur changes a little bit, when you become a father, how has that changed for you and what adjustments have you had to make in order to serve both? Right. You can't just leave your business.

You can't just leave your, your baby that's. Yeah. So how do you, how do you make that adjustment? 

[00:53:30] Josh: I think when you love something enough that the discipline you have becomes your greatest freedom, if you really love something enough. And I'm not saying that it's always gonna be easy, you know, someone might hear that and they might be like, oh, he is just saying, discipline, discipline equals freedom.

No, I'm not. I mean, I kind of am. But I'm saying it with a different lens. I'm saying it with a different focus. If I love something enough, if I, if I love my woman enough, if I love my child enough, if I love my business enough, if I love these things enough, well then what would get in the way of me being as disciplined as I need to be, to show up for all of those things in the most powerful way.

Mm. I asked myself the question. I'm asking all of us that question, and it's the love that I have for myself. It's the love that I it's the love that we have for ourselves. Um, my mentor, Paul said something really powerful. He's like when you have a dream, that's big enough that you love enough, then you won't need a crisis.

You won't need a crisis to remove you from your dream because you love your dream enough that the crisis won't pop up. And if it does you deal with it accordingly. So the frame for this, for me, that is a work in progress by the way. Because I, I struggle with discipline cuz I'm human I don't know any human.

I bet you even these, these, I bet you even, you know, Jocko willing. Who's like, you know, the discipline master, he, he might work out at for him every day, but I bet you, when it comes to discipline in his relational activities or discipline with his children, he's still a human. Yeah. So we all deal with that.

And so what, what I'm saying is for me, how I manage this is, um, number one, I use the calendar. I use the calendar for everything. I don't care if we're going to a friend's house going to dinner or it's this podcast it's on my calendar. And if it's not on my calendar, it doesn't get done because my ancient brain is not capable of handling 200 appointments in a week.

It's just not capable of it nor do I wanna force that onto it. So that is the number one thing for all of us, men and women use your calendar to the fullest degree for everything. If you have free time, schedule your free time in your calendar. Schedule everything. I went to a friend's house this morning just to have coffee.

I scheduled it in my calendar and I sent him a calendar invite. Like this is what we have to do boomer. So anyways, that's the first thing. And then secondly, be really mindful with your time and look at your time from the macro and, and look at your entire week and go, okay, what about my week? Doesn't cause me joy.

What about my week is really uncomfortable? And if it continues on a regular basis, how can I shift that? How can I outsource that? How can I hire for that? What can I do for that? So that's the, the first piece. And then the second piece is what practice do I have for myself every single day, where I'm consistently loving myself, not from a place of hubris or ego or narcissism, but like truly what practice do I have?

Every single. Even if it's just some self care or a journal entry or whatever, there's no perfect recipe for this every single day. Can I love myself because I'll tell you the child inside of you or me, the child inside of us will rebel the child inside of us will rebel. If we stop loving them. And the reason why businesses fail and relationships fail and things and dreams fail isn't because the person didn't work hard enough.

I think actually, probably the person worked too hard, but they didn't listen to the child inside of them. They didn't listen to what was needing to be loved, what was needing to be tended to. And, and that is actually my greatest work is, is that type of work. And for me, it looks like therapy. Like we have couples therapy today and, um, I have my journaling practice.

I have my self care self load practice. And to the degree that I'm staying disciplined to loving myself, cuz loving yourself is disciplined. Then I can be disciplined too. My schedule, my business, my family, and my responsibilities. So you can see it's an amalgam here. Right? All layers, all, all the feathers, they all congregate together.

[00:57:51] Boomer: All right, Josh, there's something I've wanted to ask you because in preparation for this interview, of course, I watch you interview people, watch you tell your story and, uh, look, you're fucking articulate. How did you develop that? How did you develop that ability to just tell a story or were you naturally kind of given the gift of gab?

Uh, what, how did you get through the training then? 

[00:58:17] Josh: That's a good question. I'm pausing. And I took a breath cuz I wanna, you know, answer you truthfully and not just spout out something. I think it was a combination of being bullied and when you're funny, you're not bullied as much. So I had to be quick witted from an early age.

And then from there, um, being a trainer really helped me because personal training and being a fitness trainer is not necessarily about how you can instruct your clients to have per perfect sagittal, plain posture and maintain neutral spine. What's really powerful about being a trainer is connecting with your client and keeping the conversation going, being genuinely interested in the person that's paying you money.

Mm-hmm that's, that's what makes your business go. You can be a great scientific trainer, but if you don't have the gift of gab and the gift of heart connection, you won't make it. And then from there, I also can reflect upon at home. Um, at about 13 years old, my dad kind of came back into my life, almost like flew back into my life.

And he said, okay, uh, you know, you and your brother are gonna come live with us. And it was both terrifying and exhilarating at the same time, because I was like, oh my God, you know, my father's love. I want my father's love. What what happened was, is it was an everyday war of having to defend myself, having to defend my position, having to defend my thoughts, having to defend my being.

And so I got really good at articulating like a laser, exactly what I was trying to say, because one thing that, that my father would do is he would make fun of me or he would make fun of my brother, or he would try to use his intellect to hurt our hearts. And so in, in a beautiful way, I'm grateful for that experience because it allowed me, I'm grateful for the bullying.

I'm grateful for my father's attacks. I'm grateful for all these things, cuz it, it allows me to communicate articulately, but not just from my mind, you know, not just from my intellect so I can, I can connect outs quickly because my intellect has been sharpened to defend itself, but it comes from a heart place.

So that's, that's a loop for me is to be mindful of, Hey, am I, am I the last thing I'll do? Cause I know we both have to go is like, this is important for all of us. I'm gonna share something that came up this past weekend in a men's retreat, which is fucking potent. And it is whenever I am in a moment of trigger.

So if, if my woman does something that upsets me, if I lose 20 grand in Bitcoin, if I get cut off in traffic, whatever it is, can I, first of all, take one massive deep belly breath like this

or six and ask myself, okay, what is my heart saying about this? My heart. I'm really hurt. I'm really sad. I'm really upset because of this happening. What does my ego say? Because this is really the one that's trying to lead the show in that moment, the ego and the mind are the same. My ego says, fuck that person, screw this person.

They don't care about me. They don't love me. This person doesn't care. They only care about themselves, blah, blah, blah. Okay. What does my soul say? What does my soul say in that moment? My soul says, this is a moment where I gather wisdom. This is a moment where I give space for my heart and my ego to exist.

And I don't pacify them. I don't pretend like I have it all figured out, but I find a meaning between the war of heart and ego. And I connect with God through my soul and I say, all right, this is happening for my greater good. Well, why is it happening for my greater good, well, let's check in. Let's let's ask God.

Let's ask the God himself. Let's ask the God outside of self and let's say this is happening because it is allowing me to become more resilient. Or it is allowing me to see where I have holes, where I need work. A good example might be what's going on in our world, you know, with the whole craziness, the insanity, my ego says these fucking idiots wearing masks, these fucking idiot, my egos really strong.

Yeah. These fucking idiots wearing that pause. What is my heart saying? I am so sad that people believe that wearing a napkin on your face will protect you more than the immune system you're gifted with. That is, that is the pain that I feel that is the compassion. I feel my soul says, we need this as a collective, because as a collective, we have become a monster and we need to look in the mirror and this is the only way it's gonna happen.

And then above all those things is my observer. My observer sees my connection to God, through my soul, my heart, where I experience and feel emotions and my ego, where I project onto others and make it others' problems. If I can do that, then there can be more peace. There can be more understanding. And so that is my most recent practice that has just been really coming online is when I'm in that space, ask myself those three things and actually I've even explained it to my partner.

You know, if we have a friction moment, I'll share with her deep breath, babe. My heart's feeling right now, my soul is experiencing right now. My ego is experiencing right now. And from that conversation, some wisdom happens, some good happens. So that's how I maintain it all.

[01:03:50] Boomer: Very, very cool. All right, Josh at what is the future of wellness force and the name change and what does the yeah.

Future of that look like, but also where can people find out more about you? 

[01:04:07] Josh: The podcast is going to die. and it's going to die because it's going to be rebirthed. Okay. nice. So, so I'm letting I'm letting go. , I'm letting go of this mm-hmm , which is wellness force and I'm I'm birthing wellness wisdom, and there'll be a new, authentic energy on the show.

That'll be, you know, just an evolution of me and a celebration of all of us on this path of, of really what we're all wanting is wisdom. We all want wisdom. So that's the first thing. And then the second thing that I'm really excited about is bringing more of a breathwork approach to our community, which is the, the global community we have.

And then also growing the breathwork.io program because this breathe breath and wellness program is a really safe place for people. And so when people hear and experience podcast interviews, and they're like, okay, what do I do? Well, yes. Read the books. Yes. Listen to, you know, listen to boomers, Ted talk, like do all these things.

But at the same time, do a practice for yourself, you know, do breathing. So that's where everyone can find that program@breathwork.io. Um, it's the breathe breath and wellness program. And it's, it's a three week program. I really am excited about growing that. And also there's just more growth for me. There there's more expansion for me.

There's more of looking at my ugliness. There's more of looking at the ways that my ego takes control and being open and honest about that. So, so that light pores on it and when light pours on my ego, then he gets to relax. Cuz he just wants to relax. Anyways, I'm not here to, to defeat my ego. I'm here to let my ego relax.

Um, so that's, what's most exciting to me, man. Beautiful. 

[01:05:54] Boomer: Josh, thank you for taking the time. My friend. This is, uh, Been an absolutely lovely experience with you covering so many different things. Uh, I know we're gonna have a few conversations hopefully in the same place in the near future, but I would love that.

[01:06:09] Josh: Thanks for your questions. Thanks for having all right. So 

[01:06:12] Boomer: all the super humans listening out there have an absolutely epic day. This has been another amazing interview. Thank you, Josh. 

[01:06:19] Josh: Thank you.

[01:06:25] Boomer: In case you couldn't tell by one of my questions at the end, while I'm quite enamored with how Josh is such a great storyteller and how he communicates and resonates with people. And so I hope you enjoyed this conversation. I hope it's not the last with Josh. And if you are interested in the show notes and what we get into, or even, uh, Josh's breathwork program, you can head on over to decoding superhuman.com/josh.

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