Reversing Your CAC Score and Heart Disease with Patrick Theut

Boomer Anderson 0:06
Welcome to decoding superhuman, this show is a deep dive into obsessions with performance and how to improve the human experience. Twice a week, I explore the latest science, technology and tactics with experts in various fields of human optimization. I’m your host, Boomer Anderson. Enjoy the journey. Super humans. It’s Boomer Anderson and we are back with a very special episode of the decoding superhuman podcast. cardiovascular disease is the leading preventable cause of death in the European Union as well as the United States. I haven’t tackled it directly on this show. You’ve heard me mentioned my own experiences with it, as well as probably some of my family’s experiences with it. But I haven’t had Called it because I wanted to get the right person on. And Today my guest is Patrick toit. And Patrick is an engineer who has successfully managed to reverse his coronary artery disease. Patrick gladly came on the show to talk about a lot of things with me. But we go through a little bit about how he discovered he had heart disease and decided to attack what he calls the seven headed dragon. We talked about dynamic systems and whole systems approaches to really reversing what is seen as an irreversible monster. We get into a rolls of different vitamins things like AD magnesium and co q 10. We of course talk about vitamin D KNC, as well. We get into the diet and the importance of a ketogenic diet when looking at cardiovascular disease but also For those with a PO he variants an alternative for you talk about one meal a day eating and so much more. Patrick was extremely generous with his time. And so I’m extremely grateful to him for sharing his knowledge and continuing to give people hope that we can tackle this seven headed monster. The show notes for this one or a decoding superhuman.com slash k as in the letter K. That’ll give you a hint about what we got into at the end. Enjoy my episode with the magnificent, Patrick. Patrick,

Patrick Theut 2:46
welcome. Hey, Boomer, happy to be here.

Boomer Anderson 2:51
There is so many things you can imagine my excitement to have this conversation because listeners of the show have known My obsession, fascination and experience with cardiovascular disease, and reading your work, reading, all of the things that you’ve done is exciting. So thank you for everything you’ve done to this point,

Patrick Theut 3:15
very much humbled by being here.

Boomer Anderson 3:18
Let’s, if you don’t mind, I want to I want to talk a little bit about the origin story, because I know my origin story was, in itself a struggle. But for you, how did you find out you had heart disease? And if you don’t mind taking us through kind of the shock of it, because I know, I know, my experience was a little bit of a Hey, I would have thought I was doing everything right.

Patrick Theut 3:50
Oh, yeah, me too. Yeah. Well, okay, I’ll get it going this way. I’d like to say I there’s an old Hindu saying you are working You are because of what you did way back when? Yeah. So I am here, not by choice. It kind of by chance really. I’m presently a production manager to paper melons, Central Wisconsin. I’ve been in the paper industry 45 some odd years and I’ve been a coach in various sports for 50 some odd years. My educational background is I got a BS degree. I got a major in chemistry major in biology, major environmental chemistry major in math at miners and speech business paper science and I was a pre med, but I never made it to medical school. And as my guy buddies that went to medical school said, you probably wouldn’t have made it anyway that kicked you out. I’ve got a master’s in Biochemical Engineering. I got a tier one MBA from the University of Minnesota, Carlson School, which here I am. And I graduated 71 there and I’ve got a master’s in statistics and I’m presently working on my PhD leadership. Uh, I’ve got a number of patents and I’ve got a number of copyrighted articles and stuff like that. And my real specialty is process controlling instrumentation systems with a sub specialty and anaerobic aerobic digestion, a kind of go, what does that all have to do with things? Well, it all kind of, yeah. So how did And on top of all that I was severely dyslexic as a child. And that worked to my advantage later on in life, and it will cover that a little later on. But early on in life, my mother, who was a very creative person never went to college. Very, very creative. She taught me to read books backwards, because she found if I read a book backwards, I knew what the book was. It’s dyslexia. Wow. Huh? Yeah. So and then she wanted me to figure out how to connect dots. So we have these little books that you connect all these dots and make a picture. Well, she could see I couldn’t quite understand how to connect that number one with number two. So she erased all the numbers. And so she just gave me the book. She said, Go for it, she would watch how I would my brain would figure out how those dots were all interconnected and how it would generate a picture. So I ended up being pretty good at connecting dots. It was crazy. So and then she taught me how to play chess and checkers and cabbage and Yoker and Solitaire at a very young age. And, you know, I, I read a tremendous amount. And one of your questions to me was what was the book that influenced me the most or so? When I was 11? She made me read a Norman Vincent Peel’s book the power of positive thinking. Now imagine 11 year old reading Yeah,

Boomer Anderson 6:47
your mom sounds like somebody I’d love to talk to quite a bit.

Patrick Theut 6:52
He was born 50 years they had a

brilliant lady. So how did all this start? Well, I’m getting my MBA at the University of So the two of the guys in the class were from the Mayo Clinic. And they would, they would ask the other people, Hey, want to get an executive physical. So they were kind of recruiting for the clinic. It was cool. And so one thing leads to another in 2002. In November of 2002, I said, Yeah, I’ll go three day physical. II haha. So I go down there.

Unknown Speaker 7:22
Go through the whole bloody physic say you’re in Rochester, Minnesota, which is

Unknown Speaker 7:25
an amazing town.

Patrick Theut 7:28
Yeah, it’s great place, great place. And I go through the whole physical, and I’m on my last day, and you get this attending personal care physician to walk you all through the maze of the mail. And she says, well, we’re all done. It’s time for lunch. But I have to ask you one question. Is there anything else you want done? I said, Yes. I was driving through Chicago a couple of months ago and they talked about this best CT scan of your heart.

This is all this happened. And I said You got one of them.

Boomer Anderson 8:02
But you’re at one of the best hospitals in the world. So

Patrick Theut 8:06
he says, Yes, we do. But I don’t recommend it. I said, why not? Well, you passed everything. You’re fine, as well. Yeah. But I’m curious because I got this,

Boomer Anderson 8:18
by the way, sounds very similar the conversation I had with my doctor at the time, I was like, you don’t need this, but if you want to get it, I’ll order it for you.

Patrick Theut 8:27
It’s the same concept. It is absolutely the same concept. So I get the scan done.

And then I went to lunch and I had a pot roast. It is gravy, green beans machine for a beer. I’ll never forget that because then they had the exit interview at 130 and walk into the room. Here’s my two buddies from the mail and everybody else. I walk in, I sit down I said it was Dr. Williams was the vice chair of psychology and psychiatry, and I said, Donny looks like somebody just died.

He put his hand he went yeah

the flat screen they put my my heart scan up there and then going to the little sections of my heart and then they hit my left made it glows like a rip. Why I went Oh, that doesn’t look good.

O tied your master the ball. Yeah.

At that point I was like, oh this is really bad. So I Stress

Stress echo the next week passed it with flying colors by at that point I’m still a WP and you know what up bizarre? We’re from upper Michigan. Yeah. And we’re kind of a naive bunch of folks. But and so I go to my attending cardiologist and I say, well, what’s the problem? He told me the problem. He said you’re going to be dead in four years. Get all your get your life in order. And his exact quote to me was divorced your wife by Harley. Find a bimbo drive out to Venice Beach and sell surfboard wax. You’ve done a great job with wife and kids, but it’s time for you to have a little time for yourself before you’re gone.

Unknown Speaker 10:16
That’s, that’s pretty stark. Okay. Well,

Patrick Theut 10:23
the doc that the attending cardiologist talked to Dr. Williams and said, We don’t normally tell people the truth, like this and, and Dr. William said, Well, this is quite, he’s got great bs detectors. So just tell him, he says, Well, I don’t want the guy going postal. And he said, white won’t go postal. So, so the cardiologist says this to me, and I looked at him dead in the eye and I said, my body got me into this mess. My body’s going to get me out of this mess. Very Matter of fact, like so as I’m leaving the clinic, Raj and Danny says well how to go, it says, Well, I got my work cut out for me. So I said to him, I got my car, go back to back home to start working on it. And that’s how all this started. So the attending cardiologist went to rise and Donny and said, Ah, how to go what he’s saying. And he said, Well, he’s going to work on it. And he goes, he’s going to try and solve his left name being completely calcified from the wall of the heart to the branch. Are you kidding? down he goes, he should have seen the Look at his eyes. He goes, Oh, how’s that look again, all watch out your gums. So I just jumped right in went right at it.

Boomer Anderson 11:44
So Patrick, I have to ask because of my own experience here you did the stress deco and you pass that with flying colors flying colors any did they make you do an angiogram?

Unknown Speaker 11:56
No, they did. Okay.

Boomer Anderson 11:59
Anyway, We don’t need to go down that path.

Patrick Theut 12:03
You know, for you REL angiograms are dangerous, let’s just put a little dose of radiation hell of a dose, that’s for sure.

Boomer Anderson 12:12
Talk us through how you started unpacking this, because you’ve got quite a number of hours researching

Patrick Theut 12:18
with 16 16,000. And

Boomer Anderson 12:21
I want to ask a question on that in a moment, but at how did you start unpacking it? Because look very quickly, when I started unpacking it, you realize that there there’s a very complex system behind it. And it is not just cholesterol, right, or cholesterol may not even be a component in some cases. But how did you unpack it? What what was sort of the mind?

Patrick Theut 12:49
Pretty simple. I’ve always been a high end athlete. So I had that athletic attitude of I can do this and not a naive way of doing it. I know if I if I stay focused, I can get this done. I was an ice hockey goalie. So that explains I was left defense. Oh, yeah. So kind of know what goalies are like there.

Boomer Anderson 13:12
Yeah. Yeah, like ice hockey goalies rank right behind sort of lacrosse goalies and kind of interesting factors.

Patrick Theut 13:21
Yes. So anyway, the first thing I did when I got back to the house, I broke out of my library. Dirk is dirt Pierce’s and Sandy Shaw’s book, life extensions, which I had purchased in 1982. But I’m not going to see them on either Tom Snyder or Merv Griffin or something like that. And I had read it back then. And and as a high end athlete, I was always into a ketogenic diet. You just you just have to be because carbs just screw up your performance. So I’ve always been kind of a keto quasi keto kind of guy because that’s how I grew up. And so I read That got some ideas. And then, you know, I had been on the internet since 96. And I thank you, Al Gore. Appreciate that. Though back then and starting in November of 2002, I would start reading after everybody went to bed for two to four to six hours a night. And at work, I was given free time to do that at work, all the peer reviewed articles that I could find in cardiology, literally back then you could search the whole world because it was just geeky stuff on the internet. There was nothing there. So I just started reading and reading and reading and reading and reading and I’m good at reading. I was pretty much a speed reader, and I’m greater retention. And from being a little kid, I’m good at connecting dots. So that’s how all this started. And it’s sort of become a hobby. a hobby now, but it’s somewhat of a hobby. So anyway, What I did was by April of 2003 I had pretty much determined a whole lot of things that has taken the world a while to catch up to first one body fat snatcher friend. In the second week vitamin D plays a big role. By week three magnesium plays a big role and phosphoric acid and coal is a really bad for you. bye week for cheap carbs grains and sugar will kill you. Honest to God yet that’s not as as January of 2003 Wow will kill you. Your diet should be high and broccoli and sauerkraut and should comprise high fat, medium protein and some complex carbs are only seven good oils, butter, lard, coconut oil, olive oil, fish oil, Magneto and almond oil. bye week seven. Alcohol is a dose dependent thing boost your HDL but you got to keep your B vitamins up by week eight HDL boost from exercise is based on sustained heart rate at or near maximum theoretical for at least a half hour every other day. Other than that exercise doesn’t work. Freaky three plays a big role in cardiac issues too much little problem. And then bye week 10 aren’t diseases a good bacteria problem?

Unknown Speaker 16:24
That’s pretty cool. Wow. So in 10 weeks, you effectively have taught yourself

Boomer Anderson 16:31
more than 99.9% of the general public knows. And I would venture to guess many physicians now about cardiovascular issues.

Patrick Theut 16:42
Yep, that’s correct. Okay, so now I’m not done yet. Okay.

Now, here’s one for all the geeks out there. Heart disease is a surface chemistry problem. Surface chemistry of LDL and HDL sacrifices and bye week 12 APOE status makes a big difference. I mean, vitamin C makes a difference by week, 14. sertraline, yc make a difference I week 15 LDL ma the LDL model is incorrect, aka the Framingham Heart Study. That’s completely cherry picked information. It’s statistically irrelevant, but HDL and triglycerides are important. A good night’s sleep is important. stressed grades vitamin D, so learn how to relax. By week eight by 18 weeks it took a while to get into this mess, it will take a while to get out of it. So you’re not going to fix this thing overnight. And by week nine, in the engineering world, if it moves, it’s going to break. So there you go. That’s what I did in the first 19 weeks.

Boomer Anderson 17:53
Wow. 19 weeks is less than five months and you’re already picking apart. This thing. quite a bit. Now, what I love is your rigor and the amount of testing that you do. And I want to get into just sort of how to do that testing here in a second. But if I’m, if I’m getting this right, so six hours a night, six hours a day spent on peer reviewed studies, 12,000 hours. Like, walk me through how you’re able to did work, allow you to do this. Did you just block out all of your time so that your free time was spent becoming a sort of closet?

Unknown Speaker 18:33
cardiology hobbyist?

Patrick Theut 18:35
Hmm. I was I was a corporate troubleshooter at the time for Fortune 500 paper company. I was on the road all the time. And so I would go to the various mills and the Senior Vice President of Operations knew of my I call it my speed bump. And he said get your work done. And then I don’t want you hanging around and control rooms shooting the breeze with guys and coffee clashing. I want you down Serious trying to figure out how to save your life. So I will get my work done. And then they would give me free time at work to basically save my life. And then I would be on the road, so I’d be in a motel room. And rather than chase skirts and drink alcohol like everybody else did, I just sat there. And sometimes I would read for sometimes when he would go to go to sleep, I just read all night, because I found some fascinating article or series of articles, though I just kept pecking away and pack it away, going away.

Unknown Speaker 19:29
Queen touch on some of this because I think you’ve

Boomer Anderson 19:33
and you’re 19 weeks of discovery, and just the first 19 weeks, you touch on a very important component, which is that this is a very dynamic system that we’re talking about. There’s a lot of elements here that need unpacking in order to attack something like cardiovascular disease, effectively. You mentioned there to that I would love to talk a little bit more about here. Heart disease as a gut bacteria problem, and then surface chemistry problem.

Patrick Theut 20:06
Certain whichever order you prefer, will start with the gut bacteria things. It’s pretty simple. One of the things that I built, where as part of the building was I built the world’s largest intestine in 2006. And a paper mill.

Boomer Anderson 20:24
Sorry, I’m laughing but I’m just trying to picture this in terms of like,

Patrick Theut 20:28
what you should eat it real.

Boomer Anderson 20:32
It’s like, Is it a paper Michelle and tested or?

Patrick Theut 20:36
No, let’s imagine you’ve got five being from Minnesota, you know, a green, green siloed. Yeah, exactly. imagined five grain silos all hooked together, which kind of looked like a test to

Unknown Speaker 20:49
do, I can see it.

Patrick Theut 20:52
And we had this problem with our process in which we had to digest 250 Tons of wood sugar. Now, just think about 250 times a table sugar if you had to digest that. Well, we had, I was given the challenge of figuring out how to digest a five carbon sugar, which according to literature was impossible. And I told everybody No, it’s not impossible. Bacteria damn creative. So, I learned a lot of things over the last those couple of years about how the gut does what the gut does, and it just validated what I learned earlier.

When you take a bolus of food,

it goes through your intestine and takes if he wants a day, it takes 48 hours. During that time, your gut bacteria are instructed by the body to liberate certain chemicals from the food that you eat. And if you can’t liberate those chemicals, it instructs the gut bacteria to make the chemicals you need from the precursors that are in the food that you have a It’s kind of like, if you like shopping at Whole Foods, but you don’t have a whole foods and you got an Aldi, you make the best of it, you know? Yeah, it’s just the best of it. Now how does this work for humans is that the older you get? your hormones change Case in point, premenopausal and postmenopausal women. premenopausal women, basically don’t get heart disease postmenopausal women do. So what change hormones? Now? Why would hormones cause a problem? Hmm. Well, what do the hormones do? They kill the gut bacteria What to do? And Henceforth, when you are no longer able to reproduce, why should you have the signals going to your gut bacteria to produce chemicals that you need to make babies? Pretty much. That was the logic that I use back in January of 2003. And just recently, the Cleveland Clinic on a YouTube video was talking about we’ve we’ve got this correlation or whatever that got that cause heart disease. No kidding. That figured out a while ago. But yeah, it’s and that’s how it came about. It’s just using critical thinking and logic insane. It’s got to have be the be the issue. So. So anyway, what happens now is you take a supplement, and the supplement makes up for the lack of genetic expression that’s going on in your, your gut back and forth you keep your system running pretty well.

Unknown Speaker 23:34
Fascinating.

Patrick Theut 23:36
Yeah, it is absolutely fascinating. Now you throw in the Vegas nerve and all of that you got all sorts of crazy stuff going on. And then the latest research to validate what I said shows that vitamin D levels dictate whether or not your gut bacteria liberate calcium. That’s pretty interesting. And

Boomer Anderson 23:53
so just really quickly on that is it just so vitamin D levels dropped two levels of say like quote unquote rickets level That’s the signal to liberate calcium or is it the inverse where it goes too high?

Patrick Theut 24:05
You assume Yeah, so I thought, okay, there’s there’s BC vitamin D is carried on a carrier protein, and that carrier protein apparently has some signaling things going on with it, that people really understand. But if your vitamin D levels are normal, and the carrier proteins, a happy camper, and only liver is the calcium that you need, and I’ve, but here’s the thing if you take calcium, or as I said before, if you go to on some limestone, that stuff gets into your system and your body goes, what in the heck do I do with all of it? So because you’ve just thrown the body out of whack, the calcium was then deposited in places where it shouldn’t be deposited like you former kidney stones, joints in the heart.

Unknown Speaker 24:52
So, surface chemistry

Patrick Theut 24:55
is deposited by a chemical called federal and a

Boomer Anderson 24:59
coffee. Yeah let’s talk about veterans day because I was reading your cardiac manifesto to pronounce it in somewhat of a French way but I federal na it you know it’s one thing I haven’t been able to test for yet and but also would like to just hear your what you know about federal NA

Patrick Theut 25:20
okay federal and a as a carrier protein for calcium vitamin A takes your calcium where it’s needed vitamin A is made by the liver, federal and a you can’t get a test for it because they won’t let you you can get it and I’m working on how to do it. Now I’ve kind of figured out how to work through the backdoor to get the testing done. But when I have asked major hospitals to do this for me, I have been met with a tremendous amount of No thank you. It’s it’s pretty bad. Now here’s the thing with that when a people who have chronic kidney disease die of heart disease. Isn’t that interesting? You would think you would die of kidney failure, you die of hardening of the arteries, and hardening kidneys. And they found that federal and AB due to, from what the literature indicates due to dialysis is taken out of your body. When anger levels drop, your calcium issues manifest themselves, they go up tenfold or hundred fold or thousand fold. And then you die of hardening of the arteries. And that’s something so they’re now developed trying to develop a synthetic better way to give to chronic kidney disease patients so they don’t have heart disease. Fascinating. So So how this all ties back into Heart disease is that when you loosen up, and I can go through the steps of it, you have to see all the steps to get to where the federal money comes in. But if we start at the very end where the federal money comes in, the magnesium is Loosen up the calcium that’s resident on the screwed up vascular smooth muscle cells in the federal post in there grabs the calcium really takes it back to the back to the liver for reprocessing, or takes into the bone for deposition. But that’s what works. It’s kind of it’s like, as you pointed out, this is a busy system. There’s a lot of stuff going on. But I think given what the lead literature shows now, I think we’re close to figuring out exactly all the steps in this

Boomer Anderson 27:28
and this is fascinating and just because federal and a is not the the pure answer here, but I want to talk a little bit about surface chemistry which you mentioned earlier. Okay, talk about the surface chemistry problem here.

Patrick Theut 27:44
Now this is one that you can have some fun with your local personal character.

Unknown Speaker 27:48
Maybe not maybe not here

Patrick Theut 27:51
Well, I don’t want to just met us we would we got the best breakdown maintenance system in the world. And I love it. We have a great system. And again, if it wasn’t for the mail, I’d be dead.

Unknown Speaker 27:59
So now You get shot, right? Like you’re not, you’re gonna be okay.

Patrick Theut 28:05
So here’s, here’s how it goes.

What is the purpose of LDL and HDL? You ask your personal care physician and they go, I don’t know, they’ll be honest with their LDL, HDL and LDL, are basically their ups, US mail, FedEx DHL trucks that haul your fat soluble vitamins all over your frickin body.

They don’t quite tell you that part.

So, just saying our words. So and how is it carried is carried on the surface of the LDL and HDL and VOB. So you’ve got this little golf ball with I like to call it porcupine quills hanging off. And I literally LDL and HDL go winning through your system when they go bringing through your capillaries and There’s enzymes on the wall of your capillaries, that sends off signals that grab on to what they need and pull it off the LDL or pull it off the HDL. And then he then they can do whatever they need.

Boomer Anderson 29:14
You mean to tell me that LDL is just not bad and HDL is good. It’s a little bit it’s a little bit more complex than that guys, right? Wait a little, just a little bit. And keep in mind that your brain is a decent portion cholesterol too.

Patrick Theut 29:32
Right. And all your hormones are made from LDL.

And, of course, what does that matter? Right. And so, you know, the whole concept of, of LDL being bad for you, like I said, was based on the Framingham Heart Study on character. And it’s, it’s very, very bad science. So when they when they and cherry pick the data, there was no correlation, but I’ll be LD on a scale except to me, you know, you got your extremes. We’re not talking about the extreme side of things, but just the normal run of the mill don’t marry out. It doesn’t matter. And in fact, according to the literature, you should be between 110 and 175. For your LDL, you should be less than 110 for your triglycerides and your HDL should be above 50.

but less than 150 that’s really, really should be.

Boomer Anderson 30:26
And he mentioned, I believe in your Manifesto, something about HDL met matching vitamin D.

Patrick Theut 30:34
Yeah, that people always wonder how much is enough and what should I do and people getting revved up for Anderson understand it say your LDL and HD, your your HDL and D are pretty close in terms of the number. That’s You’re good. You’re in the right neighborhood. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. You run into so many people and like I was I was kind of nerve up and you kind of You got to make sure you relax and just just look at the novels because it’s going to take you a while to get out of this. But

Boomer Anderson 31:05
yeah, yeah, I think there’s this sort of I’ve been diagnosed, dismissed, and now I’m just left to die kind of mentality. And people what I, why I really want to have this conversation is because you just kind of grab the bull by the horns and attack this, which is great. Can we touch on dental health because this is one thing where I was I’m kind of revisiting my own dental health as a result of some of our conversations, things that I’ve heard from you the role it plays in cardiovascular disease.

Patrick Theut 31:44
Okay. Couple of things in dental health. As you probably seen, I haven’t brushed my teeth in 10 years.

Boomer Anderson 31:51
Okay. There’s, there’s people here that are listening that are like, wow, okay, you must have bad breath, but take us through how you don’t have halitosis.

Patrick Theut 32:00
Well as basically because I have my vitamin D, right, my vitamin K, right? My vitamin C, right? And there’s increasing literature to indicate that when you get those three right, your mouth bacteria become very, very proactive for you and cardio protective if you want to use that phrase. And when you brush your teeth, you typically cause your gums to bleed and that gives you gives the bacteria an avenue to get into your system. And then those bacteria that get into your system and attack your arteries, which is not good. So people want to read a lot about tooth health. And this is kind of new new research is coming out all the time on a lot more than Heart Heart stuff. It would go to the Western price foundation and in a talk about it in there. My own dentist. She was she was completely blown away. She said to me, this was she had never met me before. I went in there because a crown and popped off or a cat at one of my fillings came up. So she put it down and and she says, I’ve never met you before. You’re a great guy, you know, blah, blah, blah. But Wow, you really take dental health seriously and said, Well, yeah.

She says, I can’t believe you even floss in between your teeth. Well, I guess.

Boomer Anderson 33:30
Funny. You mentioned that.

Patrick Theut 33:32
So I finally told her.

Unknown Speaker 33:35
What was your reaction? I’m kind of curious.

Patrick Theut 33:38
her jaw was on the ground. Yeah. And what was really cool. She used to be a professional bodybuilder, or sculptor. So she she knew all about health. And she she says, You know, I heard about this in my workout days, and I never believed it. She says, My God, this is true. I said, Yes, yes. He went cool and So, you know, I Hell, I haven’t had a cavity and I don’t know how many years 1214 years something like that. And the older you get the less dense anemic unless you keep your KD and mega, and C. And once you do that you’re dead and comes back my to self is phenomenal. So, but yeah, so that’s really what what goes on and if you eat a lot of junk food, you have the wrong bacteria growing in your mouth, you get the wrong bacteria growing in the mouth, you brush your teeth, wrong bacteria get your bloodstream and as a high probability of causing a speed bump.

Boomer Anderson 34:33
So let’s um, I want to unpack some of these, these vitamins that you recommend, or sorry, let me retract that not recommend but have mentioned the role of in particular ADE magnesium co q 10. We can throw it and see there because you’ve mentioned a couple of times. I would love to hear both the role of the And how I know you’re an advocate as MI of testing, and how you test these to make sure that you are optimized.

Patrick Theut 35:08
Right. Okay, well, I will give you how all this stuff fits together. Yeah. So everybody so, so the folks who are watching this just relax, if you have to redo it again do it again. Okay? It’s kind of it’s complicated, but Okay, let’s put you have a speed bump. And I’m not we’re not we could spend a whole hour have speed bumps happened, but let’s say you got a speed bump. You want to fix it. Okay. On top of your macrophages and foam cells, this is the surface chemistry thing. Okay. Think about it as So Chrome on your bumper. You have some chemicals called ABCA dash one and ABC g dash one what well When your macrophages don’t leave after they gobbled up that bacteria, they send out signals that say, Hey, I shouldn’t be here would you do something and the body kind of panics, this is the famous term called inflammation. So the stuff gets sent out these signals like tumor necrosis factor, alpha, interleukin six, and all the other interleukin.

Again, it’s the fire alarm.

Okay, now on top of these bad acting cells, it shouldn’t be there. By the way, the macrophages do leave if they’re doing the job correctly. So this macrophage doesn’t want to leave mate, and so he’s being a bad actor. So if you have proper levels of free t three, that’s a form of thyroid. And if you got free t three women around your system, it activates the ABC. He’s sitting on top of the say, just say the microphone. Well, when you activate them, the DZ singing around on its carrier protein, kind of like riding his Harley shows up and the activation site of the ABC.

Vitamin D shows up.

It’s called up you’re up regulating something else is on the surface of itself called basically, your love this phrase, UNHCR box elated matrix glob proteins Now what does that sound cool? It’s a mouthful. Oh my god, tell me about it. So the up regulates or make some gold. Whoo, we’re here. Hey, look at me. And

now that’s going on.

Well, when that goes on, that send some signals to what’s called beta HDL. Now baby he else’s kind of winging around in your vessels and arteries nice stuff doing this thing. Baby HVL says, Oh my god, I gotta go there and get that bad boy. So beta HUL goes winging in there assuming it’s being assuming it’s carrying the correct stuff. Okay remember it’s a surface chemistry thing anybody else gets to it. So, HDL shows up with this MK seven attached to it and co q 10 attached to it and vitamin E attached to it and micro RNA attached to it. So it shows up and the CO q 10. Along with the MK seven allow the beta HDL to grab onto that bed way this sink is is right into it. It kind of look at it like a body’s version of a mosquito in the beta HTC hooks on to that stuff it in the let’s say the macrophages got some fat in it, some LDL morphed into a form so then it literally starts sucking the stuff off. It literally sucks sucks it out. It’s called reverse cholesterol transport. This isn’t something I’m coming up with this. This was kind of cool. That’s that’s kind of neat. And when when the beta HDL gets full, kind of like what was that thing, I want you in my belly. He sends out a signal to another coma called APOAAPOA one to come in and hook into it. And that transforms it into HDL, which in turn leaves the artery goes back to the liver for reprocessing. And it keeps the the mosquitoes keep coming in there to get that film sale all sucked up macrophage killed and all that stuff. And so it appears that the micro RNA gets injected in the macrophages your home cell to kill it and if that doesn’t kill it we got a backup system assist the body’s got all sorts of backups so you’ve got this rocking and rolling going on all these signals are being sent out incumbency eight LDL and you go with the LDL doing there. Well the LDL is carrying something called k one. Okay, now what does the K one do? Well if you have sufficient vitamin C and it’s properly coated on your LDL it hooks up to the macrophages your phones cell and kills it. Apparently, it’s it’s it’s called auto ship. it’s it’s a it’s a, it’s something that they’ve discovered in 1999 and that your body has a backup system. That was pretty cool. So now now you got all that going on. Now in the meantime, those macrophages and foam cells of Your vascular smooth muscle cells to start growing uncontrollably. As they’re growing and dividing and dying, they’re leaving a trace of calcium without getting an AIPAC industry. Well, when you have all this MK seven floating around in these, her box elated matrix la proteins being her box laid by the MK seven, that sends a signal to the federal NA, that, hey, we got something here for you to nibble on. So federal money comes rushing in and it kind of looks around for the calcium. And if you have sufficient magnesium, much like if you take a lot of magnesium for kidney stones and kidney stones as all the calcium is kind of loosened up out of the matrix, the federal and it goes in and grabs onto the calcium axis through the epithelial layer and goes needs to be takes the calcium to bone for delivery process. And that’s how this stuff works. And that’s what how all of this stuff. sort of works together.

Boomer Anderson 42:02
All right, let’s interrupt this podcast and this is something that Patrick didn’t ask me to do, but I’m going to do it anyway. Because sourcing vitamin K in high doses is a pain in the ass. I have gone through bottles and bottles and bottles and bottles and paid countless taxes to import vitamin K and smaller doses. But Patrick makes high dose vitamin K and produces it at a very, very reasonable cost. If you go to his website k dash vitamins.com you can check out concentrated k which is spelled with a K and picks them up for yourself. Again Patrick’s giving me no compensation for this. He did not ask for this, but I’m giving it to you because I think it’s important that if you want to source high dose vitamin K, you know where to get it. It’s at concentrated k.com or K vitamins calm will link to all this in the show notes. Enjoy the rest of my conversation with Patrick quite. It’s incredible. It’s incredible. And I love how you’ve taken what, and I’ve done a lot of diving into the chemistry on this too. But you’ve taken a minute into a very simple story for people to understand. So thank you. Question on everybody’s mind. And look, I don’t like the idea of protocols here because we’re all individual. But how do you you have to optimize each of these levels? Right? You do. I know you do quite a bit of testing. What tests are you running? And how do you do this in sort of a cost effective manner? Right? Because that can be challenging for certain people.

Patrick Theut 43:48
Well, you bring up a that’s a very effective I just talked to a guy about that two days ago. limited income, doesn’t know what to do. Doesn’t want to die. Can’t afford testing. And so it’s like I said to look at, if you’re going to mess with your thyroid, you should at least get that tested. Everything else can pretty much skate by with. But I’m not gonna I don’t recommend that because I’m a I’m an engineer, I love to test everything under the sun data and everything. And to your point everybody’s body is way freakin different. But if you Okay, it’s pretty simple. If you’re living in Minneapolis, Minnesota, I would take 10,000 I use vitamin D a day. I take one of those concentrated case, five grams of magnesium LA, six grams of vitamin C 100 micrograms of selenium. And you go why Selenium? Well, selenium converts free t forward freaky three, and says most people are Selenium deficient in this country. So anyway, And one green of Armour Thyroid that should be safe. And a few hundred milligrams of Rubik one all and being a keto diet, make sure you understand your APOV status. And I would say that that’ll give you a fighting chance to get to this.

Boomer Anderson 45:18
So there’s a lot to unpack there. But if you were to have the money to test, you know, some of the tests that I’ve found to be effective or like Geneva’s nature, you will test a lot of these micronutrients that you talked about. How do you look at testing these? Do you just go to get a lab corporate quest diagnostics and say like, hey, given to me

Patrick Theut 45:42
or up basically, the story on that goes back to 2003. And this is kind of it could be considered a negative story, but I did my first vitamin D test by ordered online in January February 2003. I’ve been working online ever since. I will, direct labs. com I’ll go through left extensions will go through private MD laptop, whatever the best deal is. And back in the day, I would test myself for names a year back when it was cost effective. Now even for me, it’s not cost effective. So plus I’ve dealt my body and so I do it once a year. My record is 63 tubes pulled out of me.

I was rather curious that day. Wow.

Boomer Anderson 46:30
That’s, that’s actually what Yeah, I’m trying to think of my record and I’m not even

Patrick Theut 46:34
close to 63 today. So in two or three weeks, I’m going to be going to address site and I’ll have 32 tubes pull. Okay, that’s what we normally do once a year. And it’s a way of way of me just making sure that I’ve got her between the ditches as they say, and because I am getting older, and I got it, you know, I’m paying attention. So, but yeah, it’s the cost is just staggering. So if I would recommend, just test that, for starters, in my case, I do a lot of B vitamin testing because I found with my, when I did 23andme, back when 23andme was allowed to tell you your genetic code, I found that I had some pretty severe vitamin D, vitamin D processing issues, which explained a few things. So I had to take vitamin B supplements that I never thought I needed. So from that standpoint, it’s really good to know that stuff genetically. So you go get your genes tested, and you can go to some free sites and they will you know, you give them a $20 donation, I’ll tell you what’s work right and wrong. That’ll at least give you a place to start from. But to your point, somebody leaves the doctor’s office with a with a diagnosis of of calcification of the heart. Okay, now what do I do? Yeah, where do I go? Where do I, I want to own my problem because it’s me. What do I do and how do I do it? What’s my first step and make it a positive A step rather than wandering through the wilderness. Yeah, but yeah i would i would say do that first. red blood cell magnesium is a good test vitamin D is a good test Selenium is a good test. Regular vitamin C is a good test for ET three is a good one. You pick one all the CO q 10. Is would be the big one all past. Here’s something interesting about Avik. When all the older you get the lesson Vic when all you may, just like blessed vitamin D and a 70 year old makes the same amount makes 10% of the vitamin D they made as a 17 year old. That’s why people of North and South it’s true. That’s why people like to go to South of France for their son and all it because the vitamin D just just gives them a rush.

Boomer Anderson 48:48
I know personally living I lived in Singapore for six years and never had issues with the sun and then moving to Amsterdam that first winter hit me like a punch in The face and, you know, I think now we’re structuring a little bit better so that we spend a lot more time down south during the winters. But let’s I want to transition a little bit into the diet. And why is keto so important here? Because it Look, I, I personally love a Mediterranean keto diet. And I want to talk a little bit about the AP status because there are some listeners here that have an well frankly, 25% of the world has an AP for variant, right? And we want to just lay out both options for people. Okay.

Patrick Theut 49:46
The thing about the keto diet.

Dr. Timothy Noakes probably has the best YouTube videos on the keto diet, why it’s so important. Now who is Dr. Tim Noakes Well, he wrote the book, the lore of running. It’s like an 800 page tome on the physiology of distance athlete training. And I remember reading his book in December of 2002. And this is so cute. I got to the part on carbs and I looking at it and I’m going, Well, you got everything else right. But this so, you know, four years later, he goes, Oh, by the way, when you read that book, Karen a chapter on on carbs. So here you have a man, and and this guy, I call him a rock star. In my role of coaching, he’s considered God’s other brother. He’s really good. So for giggles, he would run 50 mile races. I don’t go I got him a pedal bike that far. Holy cow, and then he turns out to be a type two diabetic. He went, What the hell happened? This was in 2004 2005. He realized you got lied to. Yeah. He was told carbs a good point. Well, he decided being nice an MD and a PhD physiologist, he started researching what the hell the body’s really designed. And basically, our body is designed to run on fat. It’s not designed to run on cheap carbs. It’s not designed to run on a whole dose of protein. And if you’re going to have carbs, make sure there are complex carbs like raspberries, blueberries, green peppers, onions, stuff like that. Something that takes a while to get into your system and then he researched about how often should you eat. And he found that if you eat once a day, that’s what the body is designed to do. And that fits with what I learned in my knowledge of that hundred and 50% of eight and testing that you you have to let this laminar flow of food go through your system. So the bacteria can double and double is called doubling rate of bacteria. Your bacteria will grow properly based on the needs of your body, but it needs time to do it. So if you’re constantly putting food in your gut, you’re pushing that bolus through and it’s not in your bacteria time to liberate when these deliberate, this constantly getting confused. It’s like if you’ve ever had a two year old new wake up, you know, you’ll never do that. Well, that’s what happens to your gut bacteria. So he just uses give it time to do its thing. And you’re all set. It takes about six weeks to get used to doing that. But it’s it’s really, you’re just it’s just beautiful stuff on operate. Patrick, I do

Boomer Anderson 52:45
have a question about Oh, mad because we’ve had john Jay question on the show before and he’s he’s an expert in exercise physiology as well. He also has brought up a mad There’s a lot of people listening to this right now that are like one meal a day. You have got to be kidding me. Talk me through how you get enough protein.

Unknown Speaker 53:09
I would

Boomer Anderson 53:10
maybe even because I’m still an athlete, you know, getting enough protein one meal a day. Can your body process 100 plus grams of protein in one meal?

Unknown Speaker 53:22
Oh, yeah, no problem.

Unknown Speaker 53:25
Fair enough.

Patrick Theut 53:26
So, give me an idea. You’re living in Amsterdam. So you have a lot of mom and pop meat markets that you can forget. Right? And you’ve seen the big sausages hanging there. The QO By the way, they’re loaded with K by the way. Really?

Boomer Anderson 53:42
I always avoided those because, you know, you’re just sitting there and you’re like, Okay, it’s a long, long. sausage. Yeah. Can be good for you. But

Patrick Theut 53:51
yes, that’s research from Sarah booth and your team at Tufts University campus look. Okay, I’ve tried to get Sarah before on the show. He’s a great lady. She’s really cool. And so anyway, I’ll sit there and being in Wisconsin and upper Michigan, we got a lot of meat markets too, because we’re kind of a little country around here. So I’ll just sit there and eat a quarter pounder that I’ll just with it with a brick of, of pepper jack cheese, and wash down a little bit of water. Oh, good. It’s your time. And I’m an athlete to my master’s track. Yeah.

Boomer Anderson 54:25
And that’s why I wanted to ask you the question because it’s come up multiple times now. And as a person who is training for a marathon, but also is done power lifting the past, it’s a little bit against the grain. Pardon the pun there. But, you know, sounds like a good experiment. Well, frankly, it sounds like what I need to be doing.

Patrick Theut 54:47
Well, I can tell you this is this is factual. Jeremy Scott, who was on the 2012 US Olympic team went to London. I was a speed nutrition coach and Jeremy is known as 3ds Medical School. And Jeremy came to me one day and he said, Oh my god, I said what Jeremy, my wife has got celiac. Okay, sucks to be her But okay, I have to be on a keto diet. So Jeremy, what’s your problem? Oh my god, I’ll never be able to train I’m doing you know the old FedEx commercial.

Jeremy, it’s the best thing that could ever happen to you.

So I told him how to get to that point after six weeks. And off he goes to London. He’s on the Olympic team. Once a day, about 3000 6000 calories on one meal. Wow. And that’s it. So he did. And he supported his wife. She’s a sweetie, by the way. And he’s never looked at. He says it’s the damnedest thing I’ve ever seen. He says my clarity of thought is beautiful. Now I have to tell how old have it and when he went to London, he was the fastest Paul Volcker there, I think when he would come in plant he was running at 25 miles an hour. Wow. Wow, he was flying. four guys six foot 10 not bad. That’s crazy. So when you do your one meal a day and I know we’re going off into the weeds here, but are you doing? Are you doing it at night? Are you doing a midday does it matter? In my opinion, it doesn’t really matter. But I like to do my I like to eat my food after I’m done with my workout, which is typically between four and six at night. So I’ll eat my meal which takes about a half hour 45 minutes and then I’m done by seven o’clock. And if I did a real hard workout that day, to help stimulate my insulin response. I’ll sometimes take a teaspoon teaspoon nine you have just table sugar to get my insulin really rolling so I can have good repair as extras being an athlete and All about recovery not about doing the workout. So so you want you want your body dialed into, hey, let’s get this fixed really quick. And I’ll take my super lean and lysine. I do that for antioxidant stuff. But my lysine is also anti viral effect. And so it’s again, one of those things. I don’t have access feeding six to 10 eggs a day, so I’ll just take some yc and call it good. So one of you said sertraline, and lysine and one that the amino acids that’s come up quite a bit that I think you’re not as big of a fan of his LRG right, is that body’s not designed to process your body okay. BLLRG mean thing and beta carotene and vitamin A, and secondly, all go hand in hand. You don’t want to take vitamin A unless you have a genetic predisposition of processing beta carotene into a man he got doing that, so get your genes. A few genes are okay, don’t take a take beta carotene, because the body will take the beta carotene and make it into the A that you need in what appears to be a ratio between the D and the K that you’re already taking. So you should be some sort of synergy there. I don’t understand it, but it looks like it’s doing it. So monitor your beta carotene levels if you got the money to do it. Now, Argentine is damn good antioxidant, no doubt about it. Not going to debate that one iota but your body will make the Argentine it requires based on the peroxide. Well, I’ll just simply say the inflammation learns out of the situation that you have in your diet on your system, okay, if you get Argentine, it’s like giving your body calcium. The body kind of goes, What am I going to do with this? I had no idea what I gotta do. So then you get things kind of kind of confusing. When you give it literally it says, Hey, I got discovered. So that that’s why, Okay, perfect.

Boomer Anderson 59:07
Let’s go back to Quito and a police status. So keto makes sense to me in many different ways for a person with cardiovascular disease. If you’re an April e4 variant, which is a quarter of the people probably listening to this. Yep. Do you just jack your mono unsaturated fats and go that way? Or is there a different approach?

Patrick Theut 59:34
Okay, well, we asked most people, what does a POV do to you? Or what does it change? You say I’m an engineer. I like that. What changed? And everybody goes, Well, I don’t know. Okay, well, let’s figure out what changed before we go after. In the case of AP, the AP For variant it has to do with the processing time of your LDL, HDL and BLT. So what does that mean? Well, your livers constantly kicking out LDL and HDL LDL, and it typically lasts about three days it goes women around your system for about three days and then it goes back deliver. Well, why is it do that? Well, after three days that kind of winging around it’s dumped off all expense likable vitamins, and the crumbs off the bumper is going Hey, come on, guys. Let’s get you recharged here. So they take it back delivered gobbles a backup makes new LDL and HDL sends it off properly, with all the stuff around it. In the case of eight VAP for variant, instead of doing that in three days, it does it five to seven days or nine days or something like that. It’s a long time. And you’ve got a lot of stuff winging around your system that’s naked. And that’s where you here The phrase, oh, LDL is oxidized. Well take your Chrome off your bump, your bumper is going to rust it’s supposed to. So how do you combat that? Well, generally speaking, you had your AP for variant when you were a teenager and you didn’t have heart disease. So you gotta ask yourself, What changed?

And again, what changed and why did it change? How did it change, yada yada yada? So,

the AP what there’s two schools of thought on how to attack this problem. One is to really load up on your fat soluble vitamins.

Load up on your back when I’ll load up on your cookie.

Okay, load up on your D, not UD but your UK and your co q 10. And kind of go from Because then you’ve saturated your system with it. That’s the other school of thought is to create a condition in your body and which is like being an APOV. Three, in which you have a rational amount of LDL, and HDL. And how do you do that? Now you may say, gee, Pat, you’re saying the word here, status come into play here. They really do. Okay. So you drive down your LDL, you drive down your drive up your HDL and HDL goes up in response to be all day all going down because the body’s trying to save itself. That’s all in here real quick when are co q 10. Because when you drive your LDL down here, co q 10, goes down, so you got to fix that. And then you also got to be cognizant of your Selenium levels too. And a few couple other things that Stanton’s do that are good for you, but you’re trying to save your life. So let’s let’s, let’s try to knock this. So get your LDL down to rational level coded correctly, and call it good. Those are the those. You either really coat the devil out of what you got, or drive down your LDL, and coat what you got one or the other. I don’t know how else to go about this because it has to do with processing time of your LDL and HDL. Now, it’s really interesting, as you’ve probably seen, and probably seen in literature, if you’re a POE four, or 344424, you tend to get Alzheimer’s. You probably seen that. Yeah, that’s not really all that exciting. It’s interesting. I talked to the lady who did the research in Canada, for the Canadian government about vitamin K. And they found this by accident, the K one makes a big Difference in getting them all timers and they couldn’t believe it. And so they came up with the whole biochemical pathway of how k one makes a difference. And I looked at a research the Canadian government wasn’t too pleased because they were expecting her to come up with some high priced chemical. And she said, Just eat your broccoli.

She’s got this great French Canadian accent, which is chichi broccoli.

And anyway, the issue you have there

is that if you drive down your LA, the AP, you have Nick LDLK one attached to it. So eventually you run out of LDL, or run out of vitamin K. When you that’s when the best stuff starts to happen. So if you keep your K one levels up, you should be okay. The objective evidence to support that is All the people who are according to literature or a POV, had the four variant 10% don’t get Alzheimer’s. The new engineer kind of go, okay, what’s that?

Unknown Speaker 1:05:13
Where are they? What are they doing?

Patrick Theut 1:05:15
Exactly. Same with people who are have the other variants. So the AP Lee, they get Alzheimer’s. What are they doing? And and this is where professor for aligned and her group came up with what’s different, which is a great way of looking at things which is the how engineers do what engineers do. So, but yeah, that’s that’s what’s going on there.

Boomer Anderson 1:05:40
All right. Let’s let’s talk about k because it’s a look at it as a vitamin it gets it has almost no sex appeal, right. In terms of the broader universe Have you hear about vitamin D a lot. You hear about Even in some cases, vitamin A or vitamin C gets a lot of notoriety because people throw it in drinks. But vitamin K gets no love. But it deserves quite a bit more because it’s extremely hard to get to talk about the many different forms of vitamin K, because I’m trying to keep them all straight.

Patrick Theut 1:06:23
There’s 14 different forms. You only have to know about basically the lexicon, or the narrative associated with two forms is the final condone, which is k one, broccoli. And then you have Mina Quinones. And there’s about 13 of them. The best way to think about Mina Quinones is either sausage or summer. Okay, Roxanne so

Boomer Anderson 1:06:46
great for you. It’s a great thing that I mean, she I just moved to Wisconsin right now. It’s just more Germany. I can I can move down in Germany to

Patrick Theut 1:06:56
process our crops. Great. Perfect. In Back in the day, when they made sour when they made sausage correctly, they would take the thyroid out of the pig and use the thyroid in the sausage. And that’s where you got your freaky.

Boomer Anderson 1:07:10
I’m gonna have to go look to see if there’s anybody making sausage correctly near me. So I’ll let you know I’ll report back.

Patrick Theut 1:07:18
Okay. Yeah, there’s there’s basically 14 forms of the, you got the K one and then you’ve got your minute Quinones. And the best way to look at it’s just what foods are funded. Now the Dutch find it in hard Jesus for your medical notes. Like SIK ones and broccoli, kale, collard collards, things like that. But But again, like anything else, you got to eat enough of it in order to make a difference. Yeah. And in the world of organic chemistry and biochemistry. You have to take enough of something in order to make the reaction more

they don’t quite tell people that.

Boomer Anderson 1:07:57
Somebody You mean to tell me that my RGA are not the number I should be focusing on right now.

Patrick Theut 1:08:06
I think that’s why you mentioned in one of your questions about the 300 micrograms of them yes seven. So the medical notes are MK are numbered one through 13. And it has to do with the double bonds on this little tail. Can they kind of looks like a polyglot? Well, you got different links of the polyglot tale. Well, American on sevens appear to be the most desired by the body but other ones have have roles to play to the medical known for us are used in

US osteoporosis as an example.

So you have

the case, and I don’t know how to quite put this if the Ks are involved in a lot of things, let’s start there. If you We just talked K one, your body will take k one. And if you magically remove all the K out of your body when you ask a doctor what will happen? They will say you’ll be bleed out. Everybody. I’ll say that you’ll bleed out. You won’t your clock up. The first thing k one does, it keeps you from plotting. It’s an that cousin.

Boomer Anderson 1:09:24
So vitamin K was discovered in Germany, right? And KS coagulation. I’m guessing,

Patrick Theut 1:09:33
Boomer for relation. And so it the morning drill down in this Eagle fire Oh, this is really cool. So you take enough more than you take more k one, and then the body goes Okay, now we’re going to balance all this. So we’re not going to overclock you. We’re not going to underclass you. And then when we’re done with that, whatever’s left over will hook it onto the LDL and HDL and send it off to other parts of the body that really needed Like you’re coating your nerves. Well, what happens if you don’t have k one in your diet? Yeah, well what it is you need a minimum of about 300 micrograms of MK seven to do the same job is the amount of fat you’re saying. Okay, when did that job? Well, a body’s got all these various fallback pathways to take k seven and do the same thing as KYO. Okay. Now, here’s the thing. If you take enough k one, and you take sufficient seven, let’s say 500 micrograms, the body goes, Okay, we’re happy. Hey, ones doing this thing. We’re going to hook it onto these LDL particles Southern out there. Wow, we got a lot of MK seven year. Hey, we got smell the yellow good too. we’ll hook it all for this. Send them out there. Okay, we’re happy now. That’s how the body works. It’s kind of cool. And then you hit I got some MK for here. Oh, yeah, the bones conference and stuff. So we’re going to send it that way. So that’s how that’s how the liver becomes the arbiter of which k gets sent where. And if you saturate your system with K, your clotting will only go to a certain level and absolutely stop. You can’t overclock your blood can do now, if you’re taking Coumadin or warfarin don’t take a concentrated form of cake that’s bad. But much other than that, in fact, that’s why they developed predict the devil patterns. The Gabba Gabba trends were developed you know why no. OU you’ll love this. They get people coming in who have atrial fibrillation. Of course, you gotta ask why do you get a feel? For starters, if you’re born that way, that’s one thing but if it comes about what what Yeah, but people isn’t me. So they keep people on warfarin. Well, people die hardening of the arteries when they’re on warfarin.

And they get Alzheimer’s. Yeah.

Boomer Anderson 1:12:04
This is the issue with looking at everything is sort of a reductionist problem, right.

Patrick Theut 1:12:11
Exactly. Yeah.

Boomer Anderson 1:12:13
So this is this is this is what’s really going on. It’s kind of freaky stuff, really. But once you understand how all the dots Connect, this goes, that’s pretty obvious. Okay, I get it. So just to recap here, the the ideal or minimal amount of K one we’re talking about is how much I guess can’t with throwing aside that you should probably lab test yourself and you should figure out your own levels. But if we’re just kicking one, just k one loan somewhere between one and five milligrams today, so one in five milligrams and then k two.

Patrick Theut 1:12:50
k two is the kegel race, so let’s just say seven, which is according to the top research people in the world who I’ve talked to and You know, we’re pretty good friends. Half a milligram or half a half a milligram yeah 500% Okay. Okay. MK for the research out of Japan is between 25 and 50 milligrams for osteoporosis. And then what your body does when you when you give the liver that much can you give your gut bacteria that much a it when it gets signal to make other forms okay like MK nine and MK 13 and MK six, it’ll just go make it from there. It’s easy. So you give it what you call a precursor chemical in that kind of love it. I love it.

Boomer Anderson 1:13:39
Can we talk about concentrated k just a second because in the formulation you included asked us to then right at ask the all everything else is k What about asked as Anthony and say significant

Patrick Theut 1:13:56
be asked his anthem part had to do with when I was Doing a well, my friend said, we all want, we all want an antioxidant. But we don’t want to take much of it. But we want one pill to be an antioxidant. And I said well, okay, so we decided to just put Astra Xanthan into the thing is a really high powered antioxidant. It’s a micro antioxidant. So that means it’s bioavailable. So people, I think, asked a Xanthan in the powder form. Well, most of it don’t get through your stomach. It’s destroyed. So, you know, remember, I’m a geek, you know if I’m going to, I’m going to take this stuff. I want it to work. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 1:14:37
I love the diligence.

Boomer Anderson 1:14:40
Before we go into the final questions, Patrick, I have to ask just for the audience here. Take us through the journey, how it’s been and maybe put some numbers around, you know how you’ve been able to remove the reverse heart disease. And now you’ve done a lot of calcium score today. For

Unknown Speaker 1:15:00
instance, oh yeah, I have

Patrick Theut 1:15:05
well,

oh God.

When I first started this journey back in 2002, my calcium score was three. Let’s see, I got it right here 337 all on my left knee

Unknown Speaker 1:15:19
and

Patrick Theut 1:15:24
in three years, I had it to zero.

That was before I really understood with KV for me. But I had always on a high sauerkraut, hi sausage, hi kale, I broccoli diet, you know, mosquito lot of fat then and now by, you know, by 22,005 I was basically fine. I was a happy camper. And then this may sound terrible and I people have taken this out of context. I don’t want it to but I got to vaccinate. And why did I screw up my world? Well, what it did was apparently it killed off the bacteria that I had that made my k from the food I was eating. And I later found that out a couple years well I found that out in 2008 by accident, I won’t get into that. And then my calcium score shot up and it kept shooting up and shooting up and shooting up and shooting up. And by basically 2011 2012 it was somewhere around what 1200 and I couldn’t slow it down. And I pretty much this was July of 2010 and I pretty much I’ll be very blunt after all the stuff that I’d gone through and after all hell that I had to go through. I finally really was to the point where dander came up not kidding I’m not to be modeling or anything like that I can I’ll be honest, I I damn your give up. So I locked myself up in my house and management And I basically said, I obviously overlooked something. I assumed I was wrong. I missed something. And it’s kind of like watching the game tapes after you’ve been scored on. What did I do wrong? What didn’t I see? So I spent about 120 hours reading over the span of about nine days or more, about three hours of sleep each day. And then I happen to like about Thursday, I ran into an obscure article by Dr. McCullough, who’s really good. He’s pretty and it said, vitamin K one has something to do with heart disease. And I and my first reaction was to remember not this point I didn’t know about KI truly did. I was completely clueless. And I want a calcium. What is this? doing? Really, and then finally, Fell find out what? Oh my god, what’s this? I was truly flummoxed. So I started reading, okay, I went, Oh my god, oh my, and then it hit me. I had been doctoring a little bit with Dr. Bill Davis. So wheat belly thing and build a great he’s a retired MD holistic cardiologist great guy. His books are fantastic. And so I remembered a comment at that point, the bill told me about his mother, who’s Japanese? And he said, Yeah, the Japanese eat this stuff called metal. And it’s got the stuff called Canada. And it just just went over my head. I didn’t understand what he’s talking about. He said, Yeah, you might want to look at it, you know, thinking he just it was not uncommon. Oh my god. So I started reading and reading and reading and reading and going, Oh, my god, oh my god, oh my god. And then I said, Get I ever get blood work day one. Well, I had a personal care physician that I discovered by accident in Traverse City, Michigan, and Dinner Party. And she’s a holistic MD in Traverse City. So her and I work together a little bit with blood work and you know, kicking things around and all that stuff. And her along with Dr. Davis, Dr. Ross was her name if she’s still alive and kickin doing her thing. They were my coaches, they were my buddies. They were my partners in crime solve this problem. They weren’t just the sage on the stage. Yeah.

So I find this thing that oh, my God came on, she tested for it. Holy, it’s terrible.

like God.

Now it was off to the races. So I had to find vitamin K. And then the journey began and I got some awful website that had five milligrams. Oh no, I first went to my cousin who was a veterinarian, and I said, Hey, could you give me some gay? Like a good a good job. City run was

Unknown Speaker 1:20:00
gonna ask like, how does dog style k taste?

Patrick Theut 1:20:06
She wouldn’t give me any. But I said look at I got a dog. She says no you don’t I says yeah I do. It’s my invisible dog Boomer the invisible rabbit. I got an invisible dog. Hello. So I found some on the web. five milligrams so I started taking it and then I needed MK seven MK for now I had to go find that. So where do you find that at levels that you need because I school? That’s a problem, right? Is that?

Boomer Anderson 1:20:36
Because I’m looking at the bottles that I see over here right now and you’re looking at single capsules but 90 milligrams or micrograms? Sorry.

Patrick Theut 1:20:45
Right. Well, that’s I had the same problems. But if you scale up all the research by sugars and premieres and Sato and studies and and booth and everybody else I said maybe a lot of this stuff. Oh, so where do I go? I go what’s called supply side West. It was a big vitamin Show in Las Vegas Of course. Well, vitamins in Las Vegas is like I didn’t know a chest freezer show in Saudi Arabia.

Or union.

Sorry, go there. Kind of like the old Cheech and Chong movie up and smoke and going around Hey man, and trying to score some KU got a key around. I’m not kidding. I’m going around, trying to score some K. So I eventually find some people that are willing to sell me this stuff. And so they ship it to me. And then I buy a little filmmaking machine. It’s I’m here I kitchen table, looking, looking like something out of a very bad drug movie. Thank you like breaking bad.

It was sands the Winnebago

prequels. So the first thing that I did was, if this stuff really does work, I decided I had some, I had saved some Stan. And I knew how to get my LDL down to 16 and drove my LDL down to 60. And if I take all this K, it should drive my LDL up to some level of the body likes, regardless of the stat and then I’m taking.

It went from 60 to 135. Just like that.

Remember, I’m doing a lot of blood testing. Yeah, stuff down. So then I took the stat in a way, still taking the K. And it didn’t change. I went, yes. Got it. So then I started doing my heart scans again. And basically from 2012 until now, I never, never bothered

looking back, and how quickly

Boomer Anderson 1:22:55
how quickly Patrick, did you notice progress

Patrick Theut 1:22:59
was 16 Well, I’m getting my heart scans about every four to six months at this time I did one in six months, and it stopped. Six months later, it’s starting to regress six months later started regressing. So let’s see what I got here from 2012 to 2018. I’ve had, I don’t know, 10% reduction score in a 10% reduction in volume. And according to all the literature, which, for me, it’s a 50% project progression per year. I should have been dead in 2017 with a score of somewhere north just a fuzzy under 3000. Wow.

Boomer Anderson 1:23:34
So okay, you are so the literature suggests 15% every year in terms of increase if you do nothing,

Patrick Theut 1:23:42
some people some it can be up to 50% if not doubling Yeah,

Boomer Anderson 1:23:46
depends. And then you’ve regressed by 10% which is incredible. So,

Patrick Theut 1:23:52
yes, burn your luxury should be dead. Wow. This is amazing. And so by 2013 a bunch of doctors Bunch of a bunch of holistic MDS and holistic you know, chiropractors and they said you should start telling people about this and he says I really don’t want to, but 2013 they finally convinced me to start doing this and so I said look if we’re going to do this, let’s make sure the website is just pure, pure science. I don’t want it out there because I don’t like

a guy I’m not Billy Mays somebody oxy clean.

Boomer Anderson 1:24:30
What happened to Billy

Patrick Theut 1:24:32
he I know he got his oxy clean real. Anyway. So and I says look at people who have to buy this stuff are typically in fixed income. And so you have to make it affordable. After make an effective, so make a long story short, we started the business in basically june of 2013. And we just quietly just been growing it ever since. Here

Boomer Anderson 1:25:02
we go. Patrick, the story is an absolute inspiration. I mean, it’s just well for me, in particular, but also, if you look at leading causes of death around the world cardiovascular disease is the number one and think most continents. Thank you for sharing your story here today and all of these tips and tidbits. I want to close out with what I call the superhuman six, which I know you’ve already taken the liberty to answer one of those, but what’s your favorite piece of technology that you’ve purchased in the past year?

Unknown Speaker 1:25:42
A carbon pole vaulting Pole? Your pole vaulting?

Patrick Theut 1:25:47
Yes. That’s amazing. hectic walk with the 55 That’s incredible. Incredible. If I was going to coach Jeremy to the team, I need to know

but I just picked up a really nice really cool pole vaulting ball

Boomer Anderson 1:26:02
to come and come and hang out sometime and do it but how do you unwind?

Patrick Theut 1:26:10
Uh, I don’t ever get nervous up. That’s that’s what’s what’s really, really crazy. Ever since I was a little kid I was an ice hockey goalie my dad taught me at a very young age is just you in the bucket. So stay focused, and just relax is just Just relax. So I’ve learned how to relax and over all these years, I’m just just laid back when everybody else is losing their head. I don’t lose mine. It’s

Unknown Speaker 1:26:36
just how it’s

Boomer Anderson 1:26:38
such a good quote you in the buck, stay focused, favorite holiday and vacation or vacation destination.

Unknown Speaker 1:26:46
Ah,

Patrick Theut 1:26:49
I got that written down.

Anywhere that I am that I’m vertical

this every day And everywhere it’s a vacation My life is my, my hobby, and I truly rejoice in the folks in my life. So I wake up and I go, You know what? I’m doing better and Steve Jobs. And I’ve always been that way. It just, I grew up with an amazingly huge extended family. And, you know, I got to bury all of them. And the more I buried the more I appreciate being alive. And just just like being with you, and sharing this button going, Oh, this is cool. This is this is better than a week in Iceland. I mean, you know, I suppose cool in there. And but this is a really neat, so I’m very happy to be alive, happy to be vertical and happy to be with people. I just, it’s because everybody’s got a story. It’s all really important. All our stories are anyone,

Boomer Anderson 1:27:54
how do you enhance your productivity? Or what’s your favorite trick for enhancing productivity?

Patrick Theut 1:28:01
I read and continually challenged myself to optimize my time. I’m constantly pushing myself. That’s how I ended up being a. I was accused of being a pretty good ice hockey goalie back in the day. And my dad had my my dad was kind of started my goalie coach up until I was 14. And then he said, I can’t do anything for you anymore. And then well,

people would ask my dad and they go, Jim.

That’s a great goalie. He’s a no he isn’t still getting scored on. So I was constantly being brought down to reality that we’ve got, we got to constantly be better many times. My you know, you remember in Minnesota hockey’s a big thing of Michigan, you know, my goals against average was 0.93. I was lessened. That’s incredible. What’s you know, I was pretty good actually. was accused of being good. But like I tell people, I’m still getting score not. So sometimes I would get scored on dad and I would go into basement we spend three or four hours trying to figure out how I get scored on. So I was constantly trying to figure out how I could do it better, faster, smarter. And that’s how I’ve kind of conducted my life constantly assuming that I can always be better and going from there. So I love to read, thanks to mom. And because there’s a whole lot of experiences out there that other people have that I can learn from. So it’s really cool. Really. Now I’m getting my PhD and leadership right now. From the University of the Cumberland’s. It’s awesome and why well, now the company I work for they’re there. They’re planning on me having their me to be their trainer throughout their paper mills throughout the world. But if that if that gig doesn’t work out, I got an offer to teach business of business school and coach tracking. I’m going to do that. constantly pushing myself.

Unknown Speaker 1:30:03
I love the drive. And where can people find out more about you, Patrick?

Patrick Theut 1:30:09
A k dash vitamins.com. That’s the website. You can always email me there concentrated k all one word at yahoo. com. Us people call me. I’ll get 810 phone calls a day from all over the world. I’ll shoot the breeze, half hour, 42 hours. Don’t bother, don’t bother me, because hey, we’re all in this mess together. And I truly mean that. So let’s all pull together, because you never know what you’re going to learn.

Unknown Speaker 1:30:38
So anyway,

Boomer Anderson 1:30:40
Patrick, thank you so much for taking the time.

Patrick Theut 1:30:44
Thank you for having me. I’m really honored.

Boomer Anderson 1:30:46
I’m incredibly grateful because you’ve given me a different perspective in terms of how I should attack things. And I’ve read a lot of your stuff before I’ve heard you on other podcasts and it’s just incredible to have you here. Here, so that I can ask you all these questions that I have. So thank you.

Patrick Theut 1:31:05
You’re totally welcome. happy to work with you.

Boomer Anderson 1:31:09
So I learned Patrick from the fat Emperor, which is another podcast, by the way, with a clever name. But, Patrick, that conversation was incredible, right? He was on the brink or being told that he was going to die very shortly. And he took it upon himself to roll up his sleeves, and really unmask and uncover this thing called heart disease. I’m extremely proud of what Patrick has done. And I’m glad that I was able to pick his brain especially because it’s very, very relevant to me, and I look forward to continuing the conversations with him. If you enjoyed this episode with Patrick toit, please send an email to podcast at decoding superhuman com. Please also share it to all of your friends because cardiovascular disease is a very very serious issue globally. And Patrick has done a lot of research into fixing themselves so please share it on all the social medias and head over to iTunes and leave us a five star rating. Every rating every comment helps and brings me a lot of joy Thank you for listening superhumans. Absolutely