Fullerenes: A Look Into the Potential of C-60 with Chris Burres

Boomer Anderson 0:06
Welcome to decoding superhuman, this show is a deep dive into obsessions with performance and how to improve the human experience. Twice a week, I explore the latest science, technology and tactics with experts in various fields of human optimization. I’m your host, Boomer Anderson. Enjoy the journey. Alright, superhumans, it’s Boomer Anderson. I’m back and I continue to scour the globe for all things that can elevate the human experience. I’m looking for things that can help you perform better both physically and mentally. help you recover from injuries faster, or just help you live a kick ass life. Today, we’re going to be talking about carbon 60, aka buckyballs and my guest today is critic Burris. Chris is somebody I would call mad scientist. But he is the owner of SES research and the first company to deliver carbon nano materials. He’s also the owner of my vital See, which produces something called ss 60. Now, if you’re wondering what the difference is between carbon 60 and SS 60, we actually get into that in this podcast. I became really excited about the SS 64 carbon 60. As I knew it back then, when Dr. James Hart sat across from me Munich’s flow fest this year, which is turning out to be an epic festival just to meet people with interesting ideas and presented a puppet with something that I’d never heard of before and that was 60. He said it had a lot of benefits for longevity, a lot of benefits for potential inflammation issues, as well as reading Balancing redox So naturally, I tried it. Today’s guest brings about a wealth of knowledge and experience in this field. And we get into a lot of these topics firsthand. We talked about the benefits of ss 60. We talked about that difference between 60 and 60. And the potential human applications in the end because it could potentially help you perform really better both physically and mentally. I asked him about it if there’s any doping regulations on this. You can find the show notes to this episode at decodingsuperhuman.com/ess60 as in the number 60. And if you head over to Chris’s website, myvitalc.com/dsh, hearing yourself a little bit of a discount if you want to give the buckyballs a try. Enjoy my episode and this is a fantastic episode with Chris Burris. Chris, welcome to the show.

Chris Burres 3:10
Hello, Boomer. How are you doing? I’m excellent.

Boomer Anderson 3:13
And it made my day when we’re exchanging emails and you said that you had some familiarity with the name Boomer.

Chris Burres 3:20
Yeah, yeah. So, so as I was growing up, probably until I was about 11. Everybody I knew called me Boomer. So I was Boomer Burres for a good portion of my life.

Boomer Anderson 3:33
That’s it. You know, at 11. I was I continued. I’m holding on to for both of us.

Chris Burres 3:43
Let me live vicariously through your Boomer namesake.

Boomer Anderson 3:49
Excellent. So Chris to do I wanted to bring you on because, look, I am fascinated by what we’re going to talk about today and all the potential applicant of it. But I know I’ll admittedly say I know very little. And I’m hoping that you can educate us. So why don’t we start with just the broader concept of what is a fullerene?

Chris Burres 4:15
Okay, so yeah, so that’s that. Let’s start from the very beginning. So a fullerene is actually the third form of carbon, so everybody’s familiar with diamond and graphite. And now there’s a whole gamut of molecules called fullerenes. And they’re named after a famous inventor most people have heard of Buckminster Fuller. So a carried his last name, the most abundant fullerene is actually carbon 60. The best way to kind of describe carbon 60 is if you imagine a soccer ball, the lines and that’s the shape of the carbon 60. The lines on the soccer ball represent the bonds between the carbon atoms so you have this spherical molecule molecule of 60 carbon atoms. It was discovered in 1985 by three scientists Richard Smalley. Harold Croteau and Robert Curl, those three scientists went on only 11 years later. So in 1996, they won the Nobel Prize for that discovery. I didn’t know until kind of being in this industry that that a Nobel Prize typically happens 30, 40, 50 maybe even longer later, you know, usually the way it works is, Hey, remember that thing, and maybe they the scientists has even passed on. Remember that thing that was discovered so long ago, it turns out it was really important. So we’re going to give you the Nobel Prize, that wasn’t the case with C 60 and fullerenes. Really, it was a short 11 years till they won that Nobel Prize. And that was founded in the fact that they felt like this buckyball that’s an affectionate name for carbon 16. Again, buckminsterfullerene buckyball buckminsterfullerene invented the geodesic dome. And so they figured that this buckyball was a 3d version of benzing. And if you kind of have a little cursory knowledge of of chemistry, benzene is ubiquitous. It’s in plastics, it’s in most medicines. It’s also dangerous, right? So you don’t want to be around benzene, you want to have it in a closed container. It’s actually a known carcinogen. And so they kind of assumed that this buckyball would be toxic. And so in 2012, they did this really interesting toxicity study, which is probably why we’re having this conversation.

Boomer Anderson 6:27
Yes. So before we get into the idea of C 60, why do you think is to the 11 years and yes, the Nobel Prize committee is and has awarded some interesting rewards in the past like lobotomies and those types of things. But what’s that? not always perfect? Yeah, not always perfect, but none of us are right, sir. Looking at the distance between discovering award and that being so short, why is that This is such a significant discovery.

Chris Burres 7:02
So I’m one I think it has mostly to do with the hearkened it to a 3d version of benzene. Okay? So if you and your listeners stop for just a moment and look around your wherever you are, how much plastic Do you see? Right? And everything that’s plastic, there’s benzing how much potential medicine like some people don’t have it on their desk, I’ve got stuff on my desk and oils like have this benzene ring as the foundation of their chemical composition. If you say if you now say okay, so it’s everywhere, right? We don’t have modern society without the benzene ring. We literally don’t have modern society without this benzene ring. And now they create you know, they they discover this buckyball this 3d version of the benzene ring. And their thought process is well if the benzene ring is you know, a necessity of modern society at some point, the buckyball is going to be a necessity also and, and in the early days, they recognize that the buckyball was harder than a diamond, it’ll actually turn into a diamond. It’s got six fold symmetry, right. So there’s six planes of symmetry on this soccer ball buckyball shape. And what that does is it makes it incredibly resilient. So it can hold a lot of electrons and release a lot of electrons. So it’s actually cost competitive with lithium and battery cells. You know, we’re all familiar with our cell phones and how, when we first get our cell phone, we’re so excited, we finally have a cell phone that’s bad that whose battery actually lasts an appreciable period of time. And then it degrades, right, so a year in year and a half. And now our cell phones aren’t holding as much charge. That’s because of the degradation of the lithium material that’s in the battery. buckyballs actually have the ability to hold electrons and then release electrons. And because of their six fold symmetry gives them incredible stability, so that they don’t default. So that it maintains that shape. And so it will be used in, in batteries at at some point actually, at some point when the cost comes down. I used to explain to people Hey, this is what I do, and they will like, well, what is a buckyball for and kind of the joke especially after 1996 when the Nobel Prize was awarded, the joke was, well, the best thing that that C 60 or buckyballs are good for is funding. If you want to write a proposal and you want it to get funded, you write a proposal about a recently Nobel Prize winning material, right? And and people would get funded so so that was the excitement. One of the things that’s really amazing is there’s a new symbol and chemistry because of the buckyball. So we’re all familiar with the at symbol you know, it’s in our email addresses. If you have something called like say lanthanum la at C 60. What that means is lanthanum trapped inside of it the buckyball is big enough for any Adam on the periodic chart to fit in. side of it. So lanthanum at see 16 means that that lanthanum Adam is trapped inside of it, it’s not covalently bonded with it, it’s not ionically bonded with it, it’s physically trapped inside of it. So they kind of knew pretty early on that, hey, maybe we could put some radioactive materials inside of the buckyball. And then attach components to the exterior of the buckyball that I don’t know, might have a proclivity to connect with cancer cells. And so now you’ve got this radioactive atom sitting right there next to cancer cells. And so they had a lot of theories. And a lot of research was done in the early days that kind of went down that path.

Boomer Anderson 10:39
Yeah. And so the effectively more efficient delivery of chemotherapy I’m guessing there, right. Yeah,

Chris Burres 10:46
yeah, that was that was at least one of them. It turns out also the buckyball is the exact size to fit inside of the AIDS virus, kind of reproductive cup. And so by the buckyball sitting in there You’re you were able to actually block the reproduction of the AIDS virus and that was, you know, actually, at the time that the AIDS virus had just really landed and was so much in the news that never got anywhere. I’m not exactly sure why didn’t kind of follow that particular research. But yeah, it’s it’s got some amazing properties and and those properties continue and and we’ve always said from the beginning that the first real application so by the way, the material’s really expensive when we started my company SES research our carbon nano material manufacturing company back in 1991. The material was selling for $6,000 per gram. Wow. Yes, that’s worth repeating $6,000 per gram. And, and my business partner Robert was was working here in Houston at the University of Houston and there’s a Texas center for superconductivity we Actually, there’s a professor poled shoe is very famous in the superconductivity arena. My business partner was working for him separating fullerenes. Right. So separate and fullerenes, our whole gamut of molecules of we’ve been talking about C 60. But there’s also c 70, c 84, c 96, and on up, and so when you produce the material, you actually have to separate it from its other kind of bredrin. And my business partner, Robert was separating those materials. And one day Dr. Chu came in and said, You guys are young guys, why don’t you go start a company this is selling for $6,000 a gram. My business partner is from an entrepreneurial background. And so, you know, off off off to the races, we were off and running.

Boomer Anderson 12:41
There, there the company was born, right?

Chris Burres 12:44
exactly, and we’re the first company that still exists to deliver commercial quantities of carbon and materials.

Boomer Anderson 12:51
So, I came across buckyballs and I love the Ode to Buckminster Fuller here and everything that kind of the button CueBall symbolizes with tensegrity structures, etc. But I came across this at a dinner at a health conference flow fast. And the person sitting next to me has also been on the podcast now. But for whatever reason, he handed me a pad without really explaining what was in it. And I just naturally trusted him as Dr. James Hart from the bio Cybertron Institute. And he began explaining to me a lot of what was in C, he called it c 60. And I would like to just now differentiate, what is the difference between C 60 and then ESS60?

Chris Burres 13:40
So that’s a great question. Um, so it’s actually true that C 60, when it’s improperly processed, can be dangerous. So there’s papers out there that talks about one one unique characteristic or not unique. One characteristic of, of C 60 is that it’s not water soluble, and so water soluble components tend to be a lot more bioavailable to us. And so a number of scientists have worked and succeeded, they’ve made c 60 water soluble. But when you put those water soluble versions of C 60 into tests, it actually tends to turn it tends to be detrimental or tends to be harmful to cells and to the, to the animals that they put it in. So if you improperly and that’s a lot more complex, what’s what’s a little less complex, as I mentioned, my business partner was separating the different fingerings. In order to get pure, isolated c 60. You do have to separate it in that process requires chemicals that you don’t want to put in your body. It’s carcinogenic chemicals. So if you don’t process C 60, it’s actually harmful. What we say is ess 60 is C 60. That’s been processed for safe for human consumption. So really against C 60 industrial applications, potentially harmful ess 60 process so that I’d say for for human consumption. So that’s important. distinction for thank you for bringing that up.

Boomer Anderson 15:02
Okay, so C 60. If I want to improve the battery of my Google phone, and I hope the Google guys would take this at some point and put it into the phone. Yep. But if I wanted to improve the battery of my phone, I go to c60 or carbon 60. If I want to, we’re going to talk about the use cases next, but if I want to improve my health, ESS 60 is what I should be looking forward to. I have that right. That’s exactly right. Okay, so let’s get into some of those use cases. Because, you know, Dr. Hart was very excited about this. And he is, you know, he’s been at the forefront of a lot of the things with regards to neuroscience for the past 20, 30 years, and does some very interesting trainings at the bio Cybertron Institute, but he just basically told me like C 60. He used the word c 60. But now I know it’s ess 60. Yes, it is the future. And so he was really excited about it quino into some of the use cases, and maybe we’ll start first. Where should we start crest, we start with longevity.

Chris Burres 16:10
Well, let’s talk about the the study, like the study. That’s kind of the genesis of this whole conversation. And I’m sure James Hart James hearts interest in and you know what’s now ESS 60. So, we mentioned that it’s similar to benzene, right? fact that benzene is ubiquitous. And this buckyball is a 3d version of benzene means that the there’s understanding that on an industrial scale, c 60, is going to be ubiquitous as well. And if it’s ubiquitous, we need to understand the safety of the material, because we already know that benzene is dangerous. It’s a carcinogen, right? And so you take this buckyball, and they actually assumed it would be toxic. It’s a reasonable assumption. And in 2012, at the University of Paris, they did a talk study study. And the way toxicity studies work is you don’t give like, and this was with Western rats, you don’t give Western rats a little bit of it and and see if their tummy gets upset, right? You give them a lot of the material and you’re really just trying to benchmark what is the toxicity level of this material? You’re basically trying to discover an LD 50. Right, exactly. Right. So you get them a lot and instead of being toxic, the rats that were given ess 60 and olive oil lived 90% longer than the control group. So typical whistler rat dies at 32 months, and the rats given so the in this study there were one group of rats given water, one group of rats given all of oil, and one given one group given all the world with ss 16. The ones given water died at a typical whistler rat age of about 32 months. All of them had tumors, which is very typical of a whistler rat. Those wraps given ESS 60 and olive oil live to 62 months they actually had to euthanize the last rat. Now, yeah, kudos to the professors who continue to study because if you think about it, a 32 months study, and if it’s a toxicity study, as soon as those rats that are getting ESS 60 outlive their control group, your toxicity study is over. Yeah. Right, because it’s clearly not toxic. But they continued, and they actually continued for another two and a half years. Right. So kudos to them. They got to like the 60, about 62 months, and they were down to two rats, one of the rats past, and so they euthanize the last rat, and then kind of it’s time to write our paper, which should have been written two and a half years ago. And that the conclusion of that is that ESS 60 is not toxic, right? Despite living longer, right, 90% longer, none of the whistler rats given the ESS 60 and olive oil had any tumors. Right. So these are some freaking amazing results. Yeah, um, and and one of the things that I’m constantly looking for so if anybody in your audience is aware of a longer longevity experiment on mammals, I have been searching for two years, I haven’t been able to find one. And so I keep saying that this is the longest longevity experiment on mammals known to man. Um, and if anybody is aware of any difference, I’m, you know, I’m all ears. I’d love to understand that you know what that study looks like?

Boomer Anderson 19:27
And we’ll link to the Paris 2012 study. But, Chris, in terms of just the mechanism and the way this works, if you’re willing to elaborate on it, or maybe the way it worked in the rats, why is it that these rats were able to live for 90% longer?

Chris Burres 19:48
So the reality is, we don’t know the exact mechanisms. Okay, what we do know is that ESS 60 is a great antioxidant. So I kind of described how that buckyball can hold Electrons right and release those electrons. Well, it turns out that ESS 60 similarly is a great free radical absorber, right? So those free radicals and we you know vitamin C is an antioxidant. These free radicals are ox oxidants that we want to get out of the body are absorbed or attached to the ESS 60. Additionally, unlike a lot unlike most antioxidants, the ESS 60 is a nanoparticle so it’s actually able to get into the cells. So it’s actually to participate in the Mitel mitochondrial processes like the ATP and ATP processes, and be there and this is theory potentially as this free radical sponge, right? So cleaning up those processes early on, like at the cause of them, right. We all kind of know when we create energy for us as humans here unless it’s solar or wind, any other type of energy creates these kind of negative components right pollution and this case, in the case of of your body, it’s free radicals. And if you’ve got this, you know, spiracle buckyball sponge that’s grabbing those free radicals and then escorting them out of your body. So we know it’s an antioxidant. We also know it’s an anti inflammatory and the current kind of thought processes about aging are saying that it’s an oxidation process. And that is an inflammation process that’s causing this aging. So, you know, that is potentially the the explanation of why there was this extension in life.

Boomer Anderson 21:31
And one of the things that Dr. Hart mentioned when I was speaking with him was the idea of the anti aging component of this because it does scavenge particularly like superoxide. Right, the other have that right, then, also, is it possible and maybe the answer is we don’t know. That. King, let me let me rephrase my question. Can you overdo this as in redox as a delicate balance You have antioxidants and free radicals. Is there such thing as too much? Well, I think

Chris Burres 22:07
the axiom that all things in moderation really applies to all things. Man. And and it’s certainly I think more important than then, you know, clearly we’re on the given the studying, given the results of that study. We’re on the right side of that Redux reaction, right. I think more important is, can the antioxidants that that we’re currently taking, right, so C 60 – ESS 60, is known to be 172 times more powerful than vitamin C. And like, Wow, that’s amazing. Is that the most powerful antioxidant? And the answer is no, Moringa is like 1700 times more powerful than vitamin C. And and if you just take that on face value, then you know we should be consuming moringa tea every single day. The challenges is the determination of its anti oxidative capability. is done in a petri dish. It’s not done. in vivo, it’s not done in your body. And, and right. And so so yeah, it’s 1000 times. But if it doesn’t get to the right spots in your body, then it doesn’t have the opportunity to do to be the antioxidant that it needs to be.

Boomer Anderson 23:18
Yeah. Buckminster Fuller here, right? He was all about, you can’t remove something from a complex system and expect it to work the same way.

Chris Burres 23:27
Yeah, it’s good. It’s going to work different. And so the big fear typically, right is if this, yes, the 60 is going in and making things work differently than then it can be, you know, what are the chances that it’s detrimental? And, you know, we’ve got this study, so we know it’s not toxic. In fact, it extended the life of test subjects by 90%. But we’re all always like, it’s my job as an individual, as a company that sells ESS60. We’ve got to constantly be collecting data on if there’s any adverse reaction. And, and so I know we’re not getting into. We’ll get into that here shortly. But so far, we haven’t had any adverse reactions that that we need to report.

Boomer Anderson 24:10
And so in terms of before we go into that there’s something we searched the internet for this molecule and start getting into random discussion boards about the molecule, for lack of a better word, and correct me if I’m wrong calling a molecule,

Chris Burres 24:29
Deffinitely a molecule. Yep.

Boomer Anderson 24:32
If Is there a concern over DNA damage or potential concern? And why would that be?

Chris Burres 24:39
Yeah, so

I’ve certainly read some of these forums. I’ve read, you know, the potential for DNA damage. There’s not really any kind of substantiated report. There’s also people out there talking about how the presence of ESS 60 will extend your telomeres or reap actually repair and kind of telomere length is associated with actual physical age.

Yeah, it’s kind of the opposite of the Yeah, exactly. Um, and I think, you know, it’s certainly a nanoparticle and could have these effects. We just don’t have anything that’s concrete to say that it’s damaging or not damaging. I think the results are more indicative of that it’s not actually damaging DNA. The results are, you know, that when somebody says it extends the telomere length, right, which would basically make you younger, from a DNA perspective. I think it’s reasonable to believe them. It’s just not something I would say because there’s no research to support it, if that makes sense. It sounds like

Boomer Anderson 25:43
a good ABA study, to just kind of go before and after telomere length. I mean, we can debate all all night long on the merits of some of those testing processes, but let’s talk about some of the other benefits that you may have seen with Particularly users, do you mind commenting on those? Because, you know, antioxidants is great. A lot of people may struggle to actually feel that benefit. But what are some of the other things that you’ve heard about?

Chris Burres 26:13
Well, sure. And as we’re kind of going into this, it’s important to share, the FDA has not evaluated this raw material or our product, my vital see, so it’s not intended to treat, diagnose, cure or prevent any disease and important to say that I think it’s all important.

Boomer Anderson 26:29
Yeah, I have to say that.

Chris Burres 26:30
It’s also important, I think, to say, just to give a little bit of my perspective, that I’m as I’m as suspect as anyone, so you had an interesting exposure to ESS 60 with James Hart, somebody that you can kind of trust right, and so you walk away from that experience and go, Okay, well, this is somebody I trust, and and you’ve got this experience in my case. Let me so in to my understanding the way somebody gets into the supplement industry really has two pads. And I’ve kind of accidentally ended up on the third path. Right? So the first path is, I want to make a lot of money, right? And so I put together some components, maybe they’re good, maybe they’re not we we know that the supplement industry certainly has a lot of things to be concerned about, right. Um, and I go out and sell it. And so that’s, that’s a path. I have no problem with people becoming wealthy. But that’s not the path. That’s not how I ended up here. The other is often people have had their own kind of physical challenges, right, or their parents maybe had a physical challenge. And they did their own research and they came up with their own formulation. And that actually helped them get out to escape from whatever they were suffering from. And so then they’re out to save the world. Right? And I have no problem with saving the world. It’s just not how I ended up here, and my case 1991 I’m a carbon nano material manufacturer. I’ve been manufacturing these books. balls from the very beginning. And 2012 they do this amazing study extends the life of test subjects by 90%, mid 2013. I start getting phone calls saying how much in a dose? And our first reaction was no. It was know you put this in tires and batteries and solar cells and, and an ink and you don’t put it in your body. So actually as a company we added not for human consumption to our labeling about mid 2013. And I’m going to say the literature was conclusive that it was safe. You’ve got this particular rat study. There’s lots of studies where they injected the powder under the skin of rats where they actually had rats inhale it because they thought it might have some as a nanoparticle, it might have some asbestos like features, like all the literature where they’ve used properly processed, C 60 again, we call that ess 60. Show that it’s safe. But, you know, it just took me A long time to change gear so 2013 we add not for human consumption. And then we proceed and we were selling the ESS 60 in olive oils so that if you want it by the way, it takes like three weeks to mix this all the oil. ESS 60 is not very soluble in the different vegetable oils. So, um, so it’s it we dissolve it in it for three weeks we’re selling that if people want to do their own rat study, right? And 2013 excuse me 2017 a guy by the name of Cliff Thy got a big YouTube following. He talks about finance and Bitcoin Of course bitcoins very sexy. So that’s part of the reason he’s got a big following. He starts talking about how he’s using ESS 60 and the benefits that he’s getting, and the industry sells out. Well, the entire industry except for us sells out because we’re the largest manufacturer and distributor of ESS 60 on the planet.

We didn’t actually run out but we came into 2018 with this product look Literally supplement product that’s landed in our lap. And for us as a company, we asked two questions. The first question is important is moral question. I take the product, my wife takes the product, everybody on my team takes a product, I’m actually comfortable selling it to you. So that’s the first issue. And then the next is legal, which is the FDA and the FTC were on the right side of those two organizations. And so in in early 2018, really I’m taking the product or mostly starting the beginning of 2018. And then we start working on this my vital See, which is which is a retail version of ESS 60 in olive oil and actually now is an MCT oil and an avocado oil. So that’s kind of my journey. Now, I say that because early 2018 I’m getting phone calls of these testimonials. And I’m like, Thank you like one of them is it’s helped me with parkinsonian tremors and I’m I’m assigning interest. I want data. I mean, all science starts with anecdotes. That’s the reality, right? Everybody kind of poo poos anecdotes, and they should, but it’s also where they all start, right? Um, you see, you think you see a trend, people are reporting this and then you actually put the studies together, you know, the NBA studies to actually confirm that these are real things that are happening. So I’m getting these calls. And I’m like, I don’t know what to do with these calls. Because I’m a scientist, I want like a rock hard data. I know it’s going to take me a long time to get rock hard data. But I just keep getting all of these testimonials. The one consistent testimony on really kind of breaks into three I think it’s all because of one of these, the most consistent is better sleep. Like just across the board. Almost everybody reports better sleep. They also tend to report better mental focus and more energy during the day. Which by the way, if you’re getting better sleep, both of those make perfect sense, right?

Boomer Anderson 31:58
Yeah. So not specifically like a nootropic effect, but more of the knock on benefits from, hey, instead of getting six hours of sleep, I’m actually sleeping through the night kind of thing.

Chris Burres 32:11
Well, I think that’s true. I also think I just got the data from from somebody that I’m working with. And he’s got a Fitbit. So it’s, you know, it’s it’s whatever cursory data but I’m at a 60% increase. So he gave me the data for three days prior to starting my vital See, and then four days post my vital See, and he’s got a 60 60% increase in deep sleep. So I don’t from a Fitbit perspective, I don’t know if you know, and where does deep sleep fit in? It’s probably in REM sleep. Right. So there’s I read a book. I don’t know if you’ve read this book. It’s called why we sleep Have you have you had a chance to read that Matt Walker.

Boomer Anderson 32:52
We had people from lab on the show before.

Chris Burres 32:56
So for me a sleep study is not easy. I got to get like Fitbit data and I think you and I even had a conversation, you’ve got some better equipment to give me better data. But for them doing a sleep study is trivial. Like, here’s two nights without my vital See, here’s tonight’s with it. Let me fund that it’s easy to collect the data, it’s easy to see the benefits. I would love to make that happen. And we’re very interested in funding the research necessary to kind of really support this product in that book, for me, that was one of the scariest books I’ve ever read. Because you questions about your sleep done? Well, yeah. I mean, well, it kind of makes me think I’m really sorry, Boomer, I need to go take a nap. Right? Because the whole book is about what happens if you don’t get enough sleep. And it’s bad for your heart. It’s bad for your blood sugar level. It’s bad for your mental acuity. It’s bad for read basically everything. And I think there’s a lot of hand waving that goes around. Yeah, we really do need our sleep, but you’re right. That book and you’re like, well, that’s not it shouldn’t be hand-waving. It should be like whatever finger pointing or whatever it takes to encourage people to get the right amount of sleep. mandatory. Yes, absolutely mandatory. And so, if better sleep, if they’re getting better sleep, then that explains a whole lot of things. Right. And the the sleep industry is a $2 billion industry. Most of the sleep aids and I’m going to do air quotes, most of the sleep aids that are out there, knock you out. They don’t allow you to get in REM sleep, they don’t allow you to get REM sleep. They’re just kind of releasing the chemical pressure for your need to sleep so you wake up not feeling like you need sleep but also not having repaired your body like sleep is supposed to.

Boomer Anderson 34:45
Absolutely and look there’s a lot and I know Matt will admit this. There’s a lot we don’t know about sleep but it’s a super exciting field. And the fact that a lot of your testimonials are coming in on better sleep or is Interesting. Now one of the areas that you and I were discussing before this was jetlag. Yes. Let’s interrupt our regularly scheduled programming to talk a little bit about a product and company I’m in love with, and that is the V light. My particular device is the neuro alpha. And let me tell you a little bit about my no one benefits, better sleep, better focus and less anxiety when it comes to things like public speaking, and increased ability to really drop into flow. But you can check out their website which is full of all kinds of scientific articles and research in this world of intranasal photo bio modulation. And if you want to check out a device, we have a little bit of a coupon code for you. You can use the coupon code superhuman to get 10% off your purchase. That’s v light vi e li gh t.com and use the code superhuman for 10% off and just speculating a little bit as to how this made better. jet lagged. I guess if it benefits sleep, obviously, that’s a circadian entrainment issue.

Chris Burres 36:05
Yeah. So so I’m, I’m not going to have a really good and certainly not a researched answer about jet lag. Um, some people are reporting that that even when they get less sleep, right, so even you know, in the book, they call it sleep opportunity, you really need to have like six and a half, you know, six to seven and a half hours of sleep opportunity, even if those people who don’t get that much sleep actually report feeling a lot more refreshed, right? So it turns out to be a deeper sleep in the case of the data that I’ve got, you know, from one person very anecdotal. So, but if you’ve got a 60% increase in deeper sleep, you know, can you get away with a little bit less sleep, not suggesting it, go read the book, it’ll scare you so that you get your exactly eight hours plus every night. So if you’re able to sleep deeper in those moments, and I can describe this for my case, people often ask like what or what have I done noticed and one of the things is I’ve gotten rid of a knee pain that I had for a long time. I played soccer for 25 years. So I’ve got a couple aches and pains in different places, but I had a knee pain, and that knee pain is gone. Um, and I’ll get to sleep in just a second. I also used to track actually have a spreadsheet of my migraines. I used to get about four or five migraines a year, and I was tracking it on that spreadsheet, because I was trying to figure out like, what caused them right, was it for maybe partying the night before? Was it exercising too much was it eating something I was trying to figure out what was causing these migraines, and 2000 and I got four to five per year. In 2018. I didn’t get a single migraine and my data goes back. I think it’s at least five years prior 2018 I didn’t get a single migraine. And in 2019 I had one in the first quarter. Those are kind of binary data like no only one migraine in a period of time where I should have had six and kind of analyze Total information is I feel like that one migraine was a lot less like it wasn’t as severe. My wife used to get about nine migraines a month, they actually gave her a medication. And she was only able to take nine of those medications those pills per month, and is reduced her migraines down to one or two. One. Yeah. And then when you think about sleep, you know, we all have this, we at least I think a lot of people experienced like, your brain is going a mile a minute, and you’re about to go to bed. And there’s part of you, at least in my case, there’s part of me that’s thinking, I don’t even I’m not maybe I shouldn’t even go to bed because I’m going to get there and my brain is going to just keep firing away and I’m not going to be able to get any sleep. So let me not waste my time. But since I’ve been on my vital See, I my head hits the pillow and and I go right to sleep. So it’s not slowing your brain down, right. It’s In fact, it’s the opposite of these ambiens and these quote unquote sleep aids. It’s you actually take the product in the morning have energy mineral acute mental acuity during the day and then at night you’re sleeping better.

Which is a little crazy.

Boomer Anderson 39:12
Has there been anything on athletics and extra test performance in relation to this?

Chris Burres 39:17
So yes, um, I’ve got three two again this is anecdotal. I got three testimonials there’s there’s two guys on my team. One of them is the is the young and the one of them is a young kid who plays indoor soccer. Have you ever played indoor soccer way way back buses

Boomer Anderson 39:37
one when I was much much younger still Boomer, but much.

Chris Burres 39:42
So I started playing soccer when I was a boomer and then transitioned. So indoor soccer is like a full out sprinting sport. Like there’s nothing like you just run as hard as you can for five to 10 minutes and then you’re done. So there was one kid on our team. He was like a I used to do 10 It’s the first day after my dose of my vital speed. I was actually able to do 20 minutes. Wow, that’s crazy, right. The other one is there was a guy, my team was a former professional football player. His wife is a personal trainer. He took a dose the very next day, they’re running stairs, and both he and she noticed the difference in him. So there seems to be this ability to have additional conditioning. I’ve got a video testimonial on my site from a former bodybuilder talking about how he can work out longer. And then I’ve got this one. It’s kind of entertaining testimonial. It’s a audio testimonial with a lot of choice language. But basically he took the dose on Thursday. he’s a he’s like a beast. He does like 300 is all about bodyweight exercises. And he called me He’s like, What in the hell is in this stuff, right? A little more choice language, um, and then goes on about how it’s the fifth day of the week, and normally I’d be Tired at 70% of my workout, but I’m like really extending it. So yeah, we’ve got some testimonials as it relates to athletic performance for sure.

Boomer Anderson 41:10
And just, and this is me just kind of riffing off the top of my head because I just did the Brussels marathon and I’m thinking, hey, this would have been amazing to have day of the race. Yeah, but Oh, like the athletes and the Tour de France that have sport that is known for pushing the limits, right? Yeah. This seems like a no brainer, or at least to try it and so I’m just that could be potentially another study. There you go.

Chris Burres 41:42
So what’s what’s interesting is because we’ve got these so many testimonials, if we’re like in in this podcast, I’ve got the opportunity to kind of share it and people can understand my story and understand I’m not the guy who’s trying to get rich not opposed to it. I’m not the guy was trying to save the world. I’m just a guy who’s sharing stories that are true about this particular product. And so it’s able to get people to try it right? And then if they get results, great if they don’t get results, you know that that’s part of the data collection process. If if I’m going to go out and market this kind of in shorter, like little 30 second commercials, or even just an ad or a sales page or something, I know I can’t say it does everything, right. I know I’m gonna have to like, here’s a, here’s a, here’s the sleep benefits of this particular product to kind of appeal and entice people who are interested in improving their sleep. Here’s the athletic performance. And so we’re at the stage where we’re really trying, you know, going to start niching down from a marketing perspective, which is whole kind of different type of subject, but a marketing perspective to get people to actually try the product.

Boomer Anderson 42:51
Sounds like you know, a lot of choices on markets, that’s for sure.

Chris Burres 42:54
Yes. Yeah. It’s hard to decide. And, and really, I’m actually to like be on your podcast and to be sharing kind of the message of this original study, most people haven’t heard about it out or even know how much James Hart got into that particular study when when when he kind of introduced you to the product.

Boomer Anderson 43:14
He mentioned longevity, and, of course, the anti aging effects. And he basically said, it’s good for everything in probably much smarter words than it hasn’t been picked up at all by like you sada or any of the anti doping agencies. Just

Chris Burres 43:35
know. So. So the reality is it’s carbon. And so like, from a scientific perspective, and what I understand of those doping kind of processes or testing processes, there’s no way this will get picked up, because that’s impossible, right? Yeah, it’s carbon, right. It’s not like an agent. But having said that, that’s one of the things that’s on our goal. They will There’s organizations will that that that will certify your product as you know, passing any kind of doping test and and obviously, at the really high levels, that’s something that will need to do. Mm hmm.

Boomer Anderson 44:12
So, can we talk a little bit about the role of olive oil and now MCT oil because as I understood it, and this came up earlier in the conversation, it’s not a water solid, real monat molecule, but I couldn’t even just take it with like, your, your steak, for instance. What is the significance there? The fat delivery?

Chris Burres 44:35
Yeah, it’s a really Okay, so we currently believe it’s just an incredibly important piece because the the ESS 60 is a black powder. And you can take that black powder, it’s safe. Like I mentioned, there’s been studies where they’ve had rats ingested, they’ve been injected under their skin, they’ve had and breathe it in the body just processes and excretes it out. The thing is, is that when you’re taking a powder, those, the ESS 60 is, you know, grouped and crystals, much larger crystals. And those crystals are a lot less bioavailable. So you may be able to take lots of it, right take a spoonful of just the powder. But the challenge is is is your body going to be able to process it. So when you dissolve it in an oil, whether in the original study was an olive oil and olive oil is still the product I’m going to continue to take and I’m going to recommend people to take because it’s the foundation of the research the research was done on olive oil. Just interesting fact and that original study, you know, the three groups of rats water, olive oil and olive oil with as a 16. The ones given all of oil alone actually had a 30% increase in life. So I mean that says whatever all of the oil you consume now you should consume more. Of course I prefer you consume olive oil with assc And that’s called my bio. But But all of oil in and of itself is a really, really great antioxidant and anti anti inflammatory all on its own. And it’s tied with the Mediterranean diet. And so we all kind of understand that that diet has has benefits. And so all of oil was what they chose initially. And that’s what the research is on. There’s no research on MCT significantly, a lot of manufacturers who sell C 60 are on the right like kind of the material that we’d like you to be more safe with is ESS 60. A lot of them that will sell C60 and MCT oil don’t actually advertise that, that the MCT that C 60 dissolves less and MCT oil to a significant degree. So if you’re, you know, if you’re taking it for the real raw product, which is ESS 60. Then the right one is is olive oil. Some people olive oil doesn’t really sit well on their stomach. They like MCT maybe they’re on this kind of broke bulletproof diet. So they’re having their bulletproof coffee, you can get, you know, the ESS 60 and MCT oil and and use that in your coffee and kind of supercharged that that bulletproof coffee.

Boomer Anderson 47:12
Does it does the coffee or the temperature matter? Because this is asked this question more because there’s a lot coming to light right now about collagen protein and throwing collagen protein. And I realized protein and carbon are very different. But throwing collagen into your coffee may actually break down some of that protein does. Is there any concern there on temperature?

Chris Burres 47:37
No, no. So the temperature is fine. So C 60 incredibly stable. You know, even olive oil is really stable. You don’t you want to you know, you want to be careful with olive oil. You don’t leave it on your back patio for weeks or whatever, right. Typical olive oil is stable for about three years. And there are some theory that having the ESS60 in it makes it even more stable. So we we put a best use by about 12 months after our after our production date. Because most people are, you know, taking it a lot faster than that. But But yeah, it’s stable and to add it to you, I wouldn’t have any problem adding it to my coffee will say this is this is kind of interesting. So the reason you dissolve it in an oil is because when you dissolve something like an ESS 60 you actually end up with individual molecules of ESS 60 floating around in the soil right? as individual molecules it’s significantly more bioavailable now. Interesting fact the molecules so small, that one drop of our ESS 60 and olive oils are my vital see has 475 times more ESS 60 molecules, then you have cells in your body.

Boomer Anderson 48:56
That’s Wow, really one drop

Chris Burres 48:58
Yeah. But if you think about it. Remember, it’s just 60 atoms. What is the composition? How many molecules go into a cell? Right? You got a cell wall that’s made up of molecules, you got the nucleus that’s made up of molecules, you’ve got the mitochondria that’s made up like so. It’s a each individual sale is significantly more complex than 60 carbon atoms. So it right it, it’s, it’s crazy, but it also makes really makes perfect sense.

Boomer Anderson 49:30
This is incredible. I’m so excited to try this. This is going to be amazing, Chris, at this point, I want to transition a little bit into our final six questions. And of course at the end of this I want people to know all about how to obtain this because there is I’m guessing a number of people listening to this that are going to be very excited to give it a try. And we go

first question is what’s your favorite piece of technology? What you purchased in the past year.

Chris Burres 50:01
All right. So I’ve got to say, my favorite piece of technology is a Tesla. A Tesla Model three, I got the model three. And it’s it’s interesting. I have so much fun I call it the smile maker. It is so much fun. It’s interesting to like tell people it drives itself. And then you get in the car, and you double click down on the on the shaft, and the car starts driving itself. And everybody’s like, oh, it drives itself. And you’re like, well, what what did prior to this experience? What did you think it drives itself meant? It means exactly what it has to mean, which is it drives itself so um, I it’s so much fun. It’s safer, at least for me. And yeah, it’s I love the technology and it gets uploaded like so I get like I I don’t know if you’ve seen The video is on there’s a new auto summon feature so I can be in a parking lot and press and hold a button and the car will come to me now

Boomer Anderson 51:09
feature and use yet and you know Amsterdam at all the taxis here are Tesla’s

Chris Burres 51:13
Oh, really? I didn’t know that. So if you’ve been in them lots of times, right?

Boomer Anderson 51:17
I’ve been in them a few times. Those are the normal taxis. If you go Uber or something like that, chances are you’re not going to be in a Tesla. But it’s, I mean, it’s almost worth paying the extra money to just have the experience. I enjoy. I have a car, I’ll probably end up getting a Tesla at some point.

Chris Burres 51:35
Yeah, I couldn’t recommend it more. So in the taxi, did he put it like in autopilot mode?

Boomer Anderson 51:42
This was a little bit ago. He did put it in just for very brief. I think there’s somewhat of a concern, at least with this particular driver about what could potentially happen and I think that’s that’s a concern among a lot of people. It’s like autopilot hasn’t really been done that often before. And so if you’re a little unfamiliar or a little bit more risk adverse because you have passengers on board. It’s he was not, let’s say keeping it in autopilot the whole way home. Yeah,

Chris Burres 52:16
yeah. So I’ve driven from it’s about a three hour drive from Houston to San Antonio. And the car drove 95% of the way.

Boomer Anderson 52:25
That’s awesome. Yeah. That’s like cruise control on steroids.

Chris Burres 52:30
Yeah. It’s really nice. So yeah, by far my favorite piece of technology.

Boomer Anderson 52:35
How do you unwind?

Chris Burres 52:37
So I really like to dance. I actually met my wife dancing, and I grew up dancing. My mom was a ballerina. So I like to go to a club and shake my booty

Boomer Anderson 52:49
with any particular type of dancing or just,

Chris Burres 52:52
I can all I can do. I actually can do any, any dance.

And it’s kind of like the Tesla auto drive of like, told people, I know how to dance. And then I’m like, you know, my wife is from Panama. So I like Latin music and Latin dancing. And then I can do country music and so on. I’ll list all these dances that I can dance and then they like see me dance. And it’s the same as the cars like, Oh, you can dance. I’m like, That’s what I said. Just like the desert. Um, so yeah, anything and my, my favorite I really like reggaeton music. And as you know, it heavily influenced from Panama where my wife is from and and I yeah, that’s, that’s what I listened to tend to listen to and dance to.

Boomer Anderson 53:36
What’s the best thing you’ve done to enhance your productivity?

Chris Burres 53:40
I think the best thing and this is the best thing that that that anyone could really do is to say no more. Right? So there’s a there’s a, I really like this quote, right? Because it’s it’s all about what are the opportunities and I like the quote that says, sometimes opportunity isn’t And so, you know, you’ve got these things and Hey, you got this past and people approach me and say, Hey, we could go down this path or we can make this product or whatever. And those are opportunities, but sometimes opportunity isn’t it’s just a distraction. Hmm.

Boomer Anderson 54:17
Well, sir, favorite holiday or vacation destination. So

Chris Burres 54:23
I have to say Panama, because my wife is from and there’s a really cool area in Panama called sandblast. And basically, it’s an indigenous Indian preservation of 300 Islands in in the Caribbean. incredibly well preserved so there’s no like big resorts or anything you go you stay in an island, the island typically the huts are over the water like it’s just there’s no cell phone, there’s a generator that turns off at night like that is an amazing disconnect. And I can say I was also recently in Row Aton and had some of the best snorkeling, like it was just phenomenal. Like right off, like there’s a row a beach with a row of resorts and you just some of the best snorkeling I’ve ever done was right off of that beach.

Boomer Anderson 55:16
You know, given it’s a rainy day here in Amsterdam, you’re making me very, very excited to get to work. Let’s put it out. Chris, what book has impacted your life the most and your ability to show up and perform in it?

Chris Burres 55:33
So what I’ve already mentioned, like why we sleep I think that’s just kind of a very recent one. The first self help book that I ever read was, feel the fear and do it anyway. And I think it’s by Susan Jeffers or Jeffrey’s I think it’s Susan Jeffries. And I mean, that was like I think a lot of us are on this journey of self discovery and how do we be better and live happy And healthier lives. And that was really the first one. And that that’s really impacted me and I still think about that actually, I probably should go back and read it again. Because it’s been, you know, 25 years since I’ve read it. Wow.

Boomer Anderson 56:18
Chris, where can people find out more about you and your company? And of course, yes. 60

Chris Burres 56:24
All right, well, let’s talk about where if anybody’s interested in getting the product and and kind of, I want to make sure you get some credit because it because I love what you’re doing and you certainly deserve it. If anybody goes to my vital si.com slash d s h, and obviously that’s for decoding superhuman. So my vital seed comm slash DSH we also have a coupon for $15 off and just use the coupon code DSH and the best thing to do go to my vital seed comm slash DSH scroll down the page. One bottle of my vital see is about 99 bucks, skip that go in and do the subscription you can cancel that at any time. The subscriptions only 7495. So you’re saving like 25 bucks right off the bat. You can cancel at any time and then also use that coupon code DSH 15. You can call my office if you’ve got some interest want to have a conversation with me. You can call the office at 713 686 9662 and, and yeah, those are the best ways to really connect with me.

Boomer Anderson 57:33
Chris, this has been an absolute pleasure. Thank you for educating me and my audience on ESS 60. This is amazing. I can’t wait to give it a little ABA experiment. Yeah.

Chris Burres 57:46
So so we’ll get a couple of bottles over to you in your next journey. Hopefully it’ll be warmer and less rainy. And we’ll get those bottles over to you I’m excited about anytime I have a comment with somebody who’s aware of what’s going on in their own body, and then they can get the product and kind of give reports that that just has a little bit more weight than, oh, I feel like I’m sleeping better, like having data is so much more important.

Boomer Anderson 58:13
And guys, of course track all the data is I’m experimenting with this and share with you but the show notes for this podcast, the links to everything that Chris has mentioned, are going to be at decodingsuperhuman.com/ESS60. Chris, thank you so much, my friend. All right. Thank you, Boomer. To all the super humans listening have an absolutely epic day. All right, super humans. So I went long this one on the podcast and I’m extremely excited to give the ESS 60 a try. Think about all the benefits, the potential benefits longevity, reduction of inflammation, balancing redox cycles, which you guys have heard me talk about in the past about My previous experiences with anxiety, but I’m also curious how something like Yes, a 60 can help me today in this sort of optimization phase in my life. So I’ll report back to you guys and what may be come a shorter episode of the podcast. But I hope you enjoyed this episode with Chris. And if you did share it with a friend, share it on your social media networks because we want all eyes yours and whatever other accoutrements on this podcast hearing about the latest things to elevate the human experience the show notes for this one or at decodingsuperhuman.com/ess60. And again, head over to Chris’s website, myvitalC.com/DSH. And if you want to give ESS 60 a try. It’s got a nice little discount for you guys. Have an absolutely epic day.