Healing, Performing, and Optimizing through Sauna with Johannes Kettelhodt

Boomer Anderson 0:06
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What’s up what’s up superhumans? It’s Boomer and we are back today with what it’s becoming a recurring topic on the podcast actually, somewhat of a recurring topic and that is sauna and photo bio modulation. My guest today is Johannes Kettelhodt and we’re talking today about all things sauna. We talk about the differences between Finnish, Latvian and so many other traditional saunas including the Russian banya and a little bit about my experiences, opening the kimono, literally, if you will, with European saunas, and so we get into that we get into the benefits of sauna which include everything from how to mimic exercise using the sauna to things like Heat Shock proteins, and of course, the Oso popular niacin flush. The show notes for this one are going to be decodingsuperhuman.com/clearlight. That’s C L E A R L I G H T. Light. Enjoy my discussion with your Johannes. You may have guessed it, but the sponsor for this podcast is of course clear light. And I think there’s a lot to be said about someone who recommends a device, a technology, a scientific article, to their parents. And if you go to my parents Home, and you’ve probably seen photos of me in this thing on Instagram, etc. You will find a clear light sauna. And it’s something that I did a lot of research on before they purchased it. So of course, I’m happy to have Johannes on the show. But let’s just say I really like their their technology. You can get a discount on one of these by using the code Boomer at their website. So head on over to clear light internationals website, use the code Boomer and depending on what jurisdiction you’re in, whether that be the US, Europe, or of course Great Britain. Now that you guys are separated from Europe, you will get a super super discount on whatever sale price that they already have. So use the code BOOMER that’s B O O M E R, and you will get an amazing discount on your sauna which i love. Alright, so before we jump into the interview today, let’s give it huge huge shout out to Nina007 that’s ny na w seven from the United Kingdom saying hugely insightful. I’ve recently started reading David Allen’s book so it was awesome to stumble upon a podcast that had to go into his style and further detail. Boomer has incredibly engaging interview style as well. Well, that’s absolutely flattering. Nina double oh seven and thank you for the five star review. If you happen to want to leave a five star review as well. Head on over to iTunes. And as you can see, I’m choosing one each week with each podcast and giving you guys a shout out because I really, really appreciate it. Let’s go back to that show with Johannes, shell we?

Johannes my friend No, this conversation has been a long time coming. So I’m glad we’re able to have it.

Johannes Kettelhodt 4:04
Finally, I think, yeah, I felt I felt we could have done it earlier. But I think it wasn’t happening. It wasn’t supposed to happen. But I’m really stoked to be here on the podcast with you.

Boomer Anderson 4:15
Yeah, everything happens for a reason. And you know, it’s a little windy outside, so I’m actually craving a sauna today. And so maybe that’s maybe that’s just the signal.

Johannes Kettelhodt 4:25
I agree. Yep.

Boomer Anderson 4:26
Yeah. Awesome. So

for everybody listening out here, as I stumble over my words, we’re going to be talking about saunas, and specifically the product that you sell, but we’re going to differentiate boasts of many different kinds. And so if you don’t mind, you’re honest, I want to lay the framework for people as to the different types of saunas available because we’re hearing Europe. That means that the Finns try to dominate the sama sauna market, but there’s also the broken vast portion of the audience, I will get my verbal fluency back by the end of so the vast portion of the audience is from the US and so far in near infrared or something that we should definitely differentiate from. So do you mind just kind of laying out the landscape, if you will, as to what’s going on in sauna land? Like what are the differentiate differentials between finish? And then the infrared types?

Johannes Kettelhodt 5:26
Sure, I think most of you might actually know that saunas itself have been around for hundreds, if not thousands of years. I think if you go back, actually, you know, several decades, you would have first encountered saunas, so called sweat lodges, which is, you know, certainly in America, the ancient Indians, you know, that were sort of building attend. were laying hot rocks and with hot water, I read

Boomer Anderson 5:49
a passage, right.

Johannes Kettelhodt 5:50
Yeah, yeah. So you know, I think it’s just tremendously important. And I think there’s a tremendous history. So I’m always that’s sort of my passion is to really say Celebrate that because, you know, it’s not like a modern invention, say, you know, that’s such a Tesla that brought in a lot of innovation, but it’s actually a more ancient tradition. And I think that to me is at least, you know, certainly the first encounter of Asana, and they had the Russians with your banya. Right. So, you’ve seen all these different cultures, you actually see some sort of soreness. And certainly the Finns, you know, I think, what what did I hear? I think it would they have like 2 million soreness for the entire population of Finland, which I believe is less than 10 million. I should have done I should have checked the population here,

Boomer Anderson 6:32
but it’s fine. I got it wrong. I live on my podcast before so I thought it was like, I thought I was like one sauna for every two fins. But I was wrong.

Johannes Kettelhodt 6:41
It’s okay. Yeah, it’s not quite that. Yeah. But it’s a it’s a substantial number. And I think Yeah, and if you get to Finland, you know, you’ll have to get solace in every apartment. And it just strikes me that you know, the sauna has such a cultural value when it comes to that. So, I think if you if you sort of want to start on a really high level nowadays He would sort of have to finish the dry rock saunas, the hot saunas on one hand. And the more sort of gentle saunas such as infrared saunas, which we’re going to talk about. On the other hand. And as I mentioned before, the dry hot rock sauna is basically it’s a room, it’s, you know, often sort of wood panels on the inside, it’s nicely insulated, you have a couple of benches to sit or lie down. And you have a central oven pretty much often in the center. And this, you know, basically creates hot air, you can sort of put water on it, and you’ll have moisture and steam, etc. But it’ll also increase the temperatures. And in terms of temperature, we’re sort of talking between 60 to 110. Saudis. I’ll leave you to probably calculate that to Fahrenheit, but it’s it gets pretty hot from a few hot actually, for some people. And you’ll, you know, you’ll do that sort of two to three times for 10 to 15 minutes. And that’s how I grew up in northern Germany. So you know, Germany certainly has a very strong Sonic culture with public sonars you know, used to get That you do three times a week with my dad sometimes with my mom and then the entire family would just go on a weekend. And then on the other hand, you have an infrared sauna, which, as the term says, it’s still a sauna. But he does actually not produce through this hot oven element, but it has infrared heating panels. These are, you know, panels built into the wall of the solar, they can be made out of different materials, some are carbon, some ceramic, some are magnesium oxide really depends, you know, every manufacturer, I guess has its own claims of you know why this material is superior. But basically you’re sitting inside you ideally have infrared heaters all around to 360 degrees heat. And then instead of producing actually hot air, infrared as a wavelength, it’s used as part of the invisible light spectrum. And it’s actually more like a heat wave. So imagine you’re sort of sitting in front of a bonfire and you feel is really nice warmth being emitted off the fire. That’s sort of infrared in some way. And that’s sort of the fact that you’re actually using an infrared sauna. just pretty much All righty. So instead of having hot air, you sitting in there, the infrared heat gets absorbed by your body and takes a little bit longer to actually use a sauna to heat up, you know, often 20 to 45 minutes, and you pretty much create the the, the heat from the inside out. So, you know, heat is being absorbed by your body, you sort of genuinely increase in temperature, your, you know, heart rate goes up, etc. And then over time you create an artificial fever or to, you know, call this induced hypothermia. And over time, your sweat glances open up, and you start sweating because your body has to cool itself down. So that’s, you know, it’s a fundamental difference, I guess, especially comes in terms of how the heat is produced and what makes you sweat. And that’s probably the like really big picture, distinguishing between those two sort of types.

Boomer Anderson 9:50
So, I want to drill down on a couple of things because we probably have a few mutual friends both on both sides of the spectrum, right? And there’s somewhat of a claim out there, that one is better than the other is. Is it true that Finn finish saunas are better than infrared or vice versa? How do we delineate between that?

Johannes Kettelhodt 10:16
Really good question, and I don’t really think it’s a simple yes or no answer. I think, you know, for someone who grew up with traditional Finnish saunas, it’s pretty hard to convince them of an infrared sauna. Yeah, there’s

Boomer Anderson 10:26
always that the emotional attachment

Johannes Kettelhodt 10:28
emotional cultural attachment, you know, the feeling of, you know, you being in the sauna as a child and remembering that. So I think unless someone actually really looked into research on either of those two types, they will probably swing more towards one or the other. And I you know, my personal opinion is that I’m I’m a fan of infrared sauna. I mean, I’m obviously heavily biased, and we’ll talk about that a bit later. But I still enjoy my traditional finished on App when I’m, you know, when I go to public sauna space, I think both have their place. Both have certain advantages. Disadvantages, you know, especially when it comes to home use commercial use electricity consumption, EMF radiation, which we’re going to talk about. But I think what is really important is to say that both topics are quite thoroughly being researched at the moment. And as you know, the majority of research has actually gone into traditional sauna. So we’ve had this massive sauna I guess that came out. Last year was a long term study with over 20 years and looking at men. And, you know, one of the key conclusions was, if someone goes into a traditional sauna four to seven times a week, they’re, I think, the risk of mortalities dropped by 20 to 30%. Right. And that’s, that’s like a massive gain in terms of longevity. But I think the question and and there’s probably no scientific evidence on this, I mean, especially I haven’t seen that is, you know, whether you’ll achieve the same effect with an infrared sauna, infrared saunas are fairly new, you know, most manufacturers that maybe have maybe been around 20 to 25 years. It’s why you don’t really have these long term studies that you have with traditional saunas. And I’m sure they will come out. And I’m sure we’ll see some lots of synergies between those two different types of saunas and the way they contribute heat and, you know, overall worldly well being in terms of diversity. But I think, you know, both have its place. Traditional saunas, probably half a lot more scientific background, whereas more modern research when it comes to detoxification, you know, human HGH, human growth hormone stuff. That’s probably all more linked to infrared saunas, I would say so, to me, it’s not a yes or no, it’s both have the place that would have felt like

Boomer Anderson 12:40
you had you just said a three letter word that’s gonna, like perk some ears up to all the men that follow people like Dwayne Johnson, or like, how does he do this stuff with human growth hormone but before we get into that, let’s set the scene for what a traditional sauna experience look say in Europe because most of this listener base is in the United It states Yeah, we’re talking the full on nude experience, right like I’m going towel off showing my twig and berries for lack of a better word though, right?

Johannes Kettelhodt 13:11
Yeah. Yeah. So do yeah. So did you want to have like a quick intro, man almost.

Boomer Anderson 13:16
Yeah, we can go through it just sort of like what what the experience is like and why, you know, if if there is an American listening to this saying like, Hey, I should try this, but I’m a little scared why you shouldn’t be.

Johannes Kettelhodt 13:27
Yeah, sure. Look, I think the beautiful thing about the sauna culture and the sauna experiences that usually if you go to your public place, at least in Europe, you’ll have a selection of a range of different saunas that you can try. So quite often, you’ll have like a soft entry sauna, sort of which is between 6060 to 70 cells, which is quite moderate. So you don’t have that stepping into this on our finger was dizzy because the the are so hot. So I’d probably start with that and just seeing how you can tolerate the heat. I think, you know, some people always can stand the heat a lot easier. You know, others, I guess really struggled breathing and hot air and the feel a little dizzy when they you know, get to that experience. And then, you know, if you sort of can stand heat quite nicely probably do 90 to 100 Celsius, which is quite extreme in terms of

Boomer Anderson 14:14
not using 100 Celsius is boiling water, right. Yeah, doesn’t quite feel like it doesn’t

Johannes Kettelhodt 14:20
quite feel like it. I mean, it still feels like really hot air, but obviously, by you staying in there for, you know, five to 15 minutes, your body actually gets used to that. And Rhonda Patrick refers to this as I can heat stress or hypothermic conditioning, which, you know, it’s really the exercise of exposing yourself to heat. So, in some way, we’re obviously stimulating the system which you know, is challenging at times because your heart rate goes up and you know, everything sort of happens a lot faster in the body. But you’re also able to relax because it’s a really nice and quiet environment, you know, muscles relaxed, oxygen flow is being increased. He actually You know, what happens on a metabolic level. It’s pretty amazing. And it’s pretty incredible what happens, but actually what you have what what happens to you as you come out of that fight or flight mode, you know, like, there’s no hat, there’s no mobile phone, no notifications, there’s no family trauma or stress, but it’s actually like a sanctuary space where you just you just go in, forget about everything else, and you’ve been challenged because of this heat environment. So therefore, you know, if you get to, you have the chance to go to like a public sauna, whether it’s a sort of a spa or in your gym, you know, do that and, you know, don’t be afraid of the heat, but much rather, you know, go in there and if you can’t stand it anymore, go out you know, don’t force yourself to do 15 to 20 minutes in the beginning, even five minutes is fine for now. And the next time you go in, maybe try seven minutes. So, you know, it’s similar to exercise you have to train your body to get used to that heat or similar to ice ice baths. You know, no one has just done a cold punch for five minutes without practicing beforehand, I reckon. So, you know, of course, give yourself a break and You know, enjoy actually a big challenge while relaxing on on a sort of mental level.

Boomer Anderson 16:05
Yeah. And for those out there who want to try and bring their cell phone in as a person who’s done that before, you, you will fry your cell phone pretty quickly, or you’ll at least get that heat warning. Yeah, so just just leave it out and detach yourself for a little bit. It’s okay. Yeah. Johhanes, I want to go into the infrared spectrum now, because near and far are, what we’ve come to know is sort of the two options available. Right? And do you mind to kind of destroy frame for us? Well, yeah, if it’s a feature,

Johannes Kettelhodt 16:39
yeah, I’ll probably even go a step back and actually say sort of what we have. So we have near middle and fun Fred so and this is basically the spectrum off of infrared. You know, it’s the same when you have ultraviolet year for Truvada B, etc, etc. And that’s the same with infrared and every type of infrared although it is infrared and Although it’s sort of a heat wave, it works different when it hits the body or when it hits an object. So the most gentle infrared heat in the, you know, the type of infrared that’s also been around the longest is called fan fret. It’s a shorter wavelength, it’s a lot. It’s a longer wavelength that is a very gentle on the body. So, you know, when when we sort of speak about infrared, we always, you know, we think about, okay, how deeply does it penetrate the body? how deeply is the heat being absorbed, is it you know, just their skin layers, that sort of muscle or, you know, even joins sort of level? Or is it sort of more on the on the surface and fine, Fred is very gentle, you know, doesn’t go through the skin, it basically works by, you know, I guess in some way, it’s a thermal energy that hits the skin that hits the water and what he calls inside your skin, and they start vibrating at the thermal energy being infused, everything starts vibrating, and over time you obviously gradually heat up because Because the water in your body heats up. And it’s, you know, it’s this a thing that’s called a resonant frequency. Now, I’m not a physicist, I haven’t done a PhD, I’m engineer but this, you know, this aspect of resonant frequency is quite, quite logical. And if you don’t mind, I’d quickly explain that.

Boomer Anderson 18:19
So let’s dive in.

Johannes Kettelhodt 18:21
Some of you might have actually knowing that you might have actually felt that as well, that if you have, say, 10 people in the room and have the window open, people generate a lot of heat, I think you know, and when I was at uni, we learned that I think a human human individual has like a heat output of 60 watts. And the way heat is being emitted from that person is also through infrared, it’s actually far infrared. And research has shown that what we call the human wavelength, or the bio wavelength is a frequency of 9.4 microns. This is the physical unit but it’s part of the far infrared spectrum. And what we’ve done this manufacturers we thought, okay, you know, we know That resonance frequency exists, let’s produce a heater that actually creates or that mimics the same output so that you create the resonant frequency. So what it means is, if you have heat coming in on one hand and you have the heat frequency on one side and you have another heat frequency on the other side that have the same frequency, they Overlay and enhance each other’s so that’s, you know, what we use and find Fred and we find threads on us, although it’s a rather gentle, he’d still make you sweat, because it’s, you know, that resonant frequency effect. Moving on middle infrared, slightly different spectrum a little bit more intense. And it doesn’t quite penetrate to joints or muscles, but it sort of go through the skin layers and therefore obviously increases your temperature. And then you have near infrared, which is the most intense form of infrared. It’s a very short but high energy wavelength. That sort of goes through the skin layers and penetrates muscles, tissues, and joints. So people for instance, he have any issues with stiffness or muscle injuries. You know, in the end, Fred is has shown actually to be superior when it comes to tissue healing in a relaxation on a on a really deep penetration level.

Boomer Anderson 20:10
Okay, so we’ve gone through that. And thank you for laying that out, because that kind of sets the stage for further discussion.

Yeah. And

one of the benefits that we continue to hear about when it comes to sauna use is Heat Shock proteins. Yep. Do these come out of a particular part of that spectrum? Or which if we wanted to generate heat shock proteins, maybe it’s worth defining those first. And then if we wanted to generate them, what part of the spectrum to be looking for

Johannes Kettelhodt 20:42
sure. I think um, for those of you who don’t know, I mean, he Chuck protein says as the name says, it’s it’s a form of a protein that exists inside the body that is being activated or certainly also produce through genome expression when we are encountered or when we have a hide helix closure. Similar to when you have cold shock proteins, you know, through ice bath thing, it’s sort of the same just for heat. And the interesting thing about Heat Shock proteins is really that, you know, it is a protein. And in some way, it’s really supporting all the other proteins that we have inside the cell. So I think Rhonda Patrick, she’s done excellent studies and videos on there really expressing that he took proteins are amazing, for so many different reasons. And I think we could probably do a podcast on that alone, because we both love researchers on that, on that sort of deep level. But briefly, what they do is they, they support and enhance the three dimensional structure of a protein. So what research has shown is that if people actually suffer from diseases, and it’s probably true for most of their diseases that the cell frequency of our cells actually changes. And we actually see on a microscopic level that you know, some cells have other healthy frequencies and others don’t know we have a very similar effect when it comes to proteins. So the proteins in the cell obviously give you an indication of how healthy The sell of the protein actually reduce. And if we can become sick, they’re sort of looser three dimensional structure. And that’s where he checked proteins come in that being sort of induced activated by heat, and therefore support all the other proteins in there sort of healthy conditioning, which in hindsight actually is related to longevity. Because if we knew that, you know, we can pretty much improve the health of a proteins and cells, we can we, you know, we can, I think we overall help the body in terms of longevity and an unhealthy state on a, on a metabolic level. Now, this becomes really, I think, technical when it comes to frequencies of cells and stuff, but in general, they sort of little helpers inside the body that support all the other proteins. And what is amazing about those is that once they’re activated, is not it’s not that, you know, they’ll be activated if you don’t use this on every day. But research has actually shown that you know, once you have this heat inducement that can actually be around for four to six weeks and really sort of leaving a positive impression or positive effect on yourself. Although it’s pretty,

Boomer Anderson 23:08
like a simple, like a simple protocol. I mean, even just going once as Yeah, one of the lasting benefits.

Johannes Kettelhodt 23:14
I agree I like I think in terms of peacock proteins, you know, it will definitely have an impact now, whether you can link back he took proteins to Infrared Sauna itself. That’s, I think that’s one of the most exciting elements about research nowadays, because most of these most of the research that has been done on Heat Shock proteins, was done with traditional finished on us, which you know, did leave participants exposed I think to 10 to 10 to 20 or 25 minutes with a heat of hundred Celsius approximately and therefore, you can’t really link it back to the different infrared spectrums. What is you know, what is, I think agreed is that a higher temperature so a higher core temperature, so that you know, if you expose a PC to a higher temperature sauna, Then over time, because you said, because you sweat profusely, your core temperature goes up, and you’ll have the same effect in an infrared sauna. Now, what I’m yet to experience on my private level is actually seeing Okay, how does my core temperature change when I do 20 minutes in a traditional sauna, there’s 45 or 60 minutes, possibly even in an infrared sauna, I’m fairly confident that you probably see a similar increase in core temperature, which is why I believe that the human growth, sorry, the Heat Shock Protein aspect is very similar in infrared sauna. But I haven’t seen as much research out there, which is, which is a pity. But obviously, it’s an opportunity for just reading my knowledge in that space.

Boomer Anderson 24:39
Mm hmm. We’ll get into protocols in a little bit, but I want to earmark this one about timing. So using finished saunas versus infrared, we’ll, we’ll talk about this a little bit. Sure. human growth hormone is a fascinating conversation, especially with all of this the recent work that’s come out about biological And then just the role that growth hormone has played in some of those studies, and saunas as a benefit to growth hormone is there. Is there a right type of sauna for this as a universal benefit? Or is there more benefit from let’s say far infrared? Alright, so this episode is about songs, of course. And one of the features I love about the clear light is that I am able to adjust the light spectrum that I get within the sauna. And there’s something to be said about color therapy if you go into Alexander winches episode on this podcast, but one of the spectrums of light that is the diva of the light world and I mean, diva, like Madonna kind of thing is blue light, and blue light will indeed screw up your sleep if you tend to use too much of it late in the evening. And so how do I equip myself so that I can keep working a little bit later than the average working day. I use blue blocks and so head on over to blue blocks calm that’s B Liu bl o x. And Andy man has been on the show before I like his product. I like the diligence he does on his products, and you can get a pair for 15% off using the code d s 15. Thank you guys. And now back to the show.

Johannes Kettelhodt 26:28
Good question. Man. I I don’t have the answer to that yet. I think it’s something that I personally just want to read more up on that because I’m this this whole topic of HGH is fairly new to me. I knew that we have actually conducted is conducted a study with the University of being Hampton that was more in terms of weight loss. But what they’ve actually seen is that people who are exposed to a far infrared sauna over the course of 12 weeks, using it, I think three to four times a week in the evening for 45 minutes. People will were measured and you know, it was it was possible to see an increase in human growth hormone which then in turn led to an to a reduction of body fat, I think for up to 4%. But that was that was purely with the ambition or with the motivation of weight loss. I think it really calls for another study, which is probably similar conditioning, but specifically to look at HGH. But alongside with that, they actually also saw an increase of serum glucose levels. And the hypotheses that they derive from this study, which, you know, I guess it’s proven unless this and other hypotheses that sort of counterbalance that is then the higher the loss of body fat, and the higher the core temperature during the sauna session was, the more or the higher the human growth hormone levels were measured. So it’s sort of it’s a little bit patchy in that sense because it’s a little bit vague and temporary. stuff, you know, okay, what does it actually really mean? But that’s that was sort of the conclusion of this specific study. So and that’s why some infrared saunas acid. So, you know, I called weight loss proven, because there seems to be something going on with HGH and the serum glucose levels, which in hindsight lets you an increase is sorry, a reduction of body fat, but it’s a little bit vague.

Boomer Anderson 28:23
So in that study, if you don’t mind me asking what were the key conclusions as it regards to, to weight loss, like you saw a reduction in body fat, you saw an increase in growth hormone, I’m assuming that means you saw weight loss, but yes, were there controls also around the diet?

Johannes Kettelhodt 28:39
And I think it’s a good question. I haven’t haven’t seen the full report. I’ve just seen the summary. But then what what was interesting is that sauna in the evening. So basically, they didn’t really look at diets. According to the study it was that both participants you know, left everything as it is. So you know, they’ve sort of learned Living that normal lifestyle, probably some had a better diet than others. I think it’s pretty challenging to limiting that. But what they saw is that people who use the sauna in the evening had a higher loss of body fat that people using it in the morning. So there was one, there was an interesting conclusion. And also, I think they had two groups of people one was for 30 minutes, or 25 minutes. The other one was 45 minutes. And it’s really showing the longer people use the sauna. The higher the quad core temperature obviously went, and the more body fat loss has It has been reported.

Boomer Anderson 29:34
That’s fascinating. I mean, I’m just pontificating here, but like, if you raise growth hormone in the evening, and then you sleep in you, in theory, maybe there’s a correlation there with increased deep sleep or increases growth hormone going into sleep, and that helps your body repair better and therefore you’re able to burn fat more. Could be likely six degrees to Kevin Bacon to me, but yeah,

Johannes Kettelhodt 29:57
yeah, it’s quite complex. A few If you take all these different factors into consideration, I think the other thing is that I think body temperature spikes up in the evening. So you sort of practice saying Heat Shock, you know, any sort of heat exposure, he choke exposure, it sort of trains your body, I guess, to really working with this heat and sort of, you know, or to cooling down afterwards. Now, whether you do a hot shower or culture probably also plays into effect, because it regulates your blood pressure in some way. But it just really shows, I think that there’s still a lot to be learned when it comes to, you know, infrared saunas, as a saunas, versus you know, HGH, and all these different factors. And I’m just fascinated by it. I’m so grateful to be here talking about it, but I still feel like I’m just, you know, tipping the iceberg off of everything that we’re yet to know about it. And to all those listening, like, there’s still a lot of research to be done here, right? Just

Boomer Anderson 30:50
Yes, there is. And we’re learning so much at a rapid clip and health in general. And sauna is definitely one of those spaces. But yeah, I mean, we’ve mentioned a few characters here today, like Ronda Patrick is she sent some interesting research about how to mimic exercise with sauna. Yeah, Queen delve into that a little bit.

Johannes Kettelhodt 31:07
Yeah, sure. I mean, yeah, I think she actually she posted a study on that. But I think there was also a study that came out of Germany last year, which showed exactly that that, you know, and that was, again, using a traditional sauna, not an infrared sauna. And that you’re using the sauna frequently, you know, pretty much mimics that workout in terms of cardiovascular activity. And I think if we just look at what happens is, you know, then that then it actually becomes quite clear because although we’re basically just sitting inside the sauna and relaxing, you know, our heart rate starts to beat you know, I think Well, they’ve seen up to 140 beats per minute, 150 beats per minute, during a sauna session. Now, every one of our three exercises of you guys exercises notice that that that’s quite a high pace. In terms of heart rate, probably watch players you know, which is quite an extreme. They I think they made 160 hundred 72 getting pretty close to that And while you’re just sitting there, like your heart pumps, oxygen, oxygen flow is being increased, you know, more nutrients actually being transported to the muscles, which means that, you know, muscle recovery, which we haven’t talked about is a big thing with with saunas and infrared saunas. And in some way, you also seeing a reduction of blood pressure, because obviously, the magic word, I guess, is the vessel dilation. So basically seeing that your heart pumps basically more blood through the arteries and veins, which means the volume increases because the pumps more so it’s almost like you’re training your heart to this extreme heat shock condition, which then, in hindsight outs, at least a positive effect for any sort of cardiac aspect, which is why the study from RCA actually showed has shown that, you know, the risk of cardiovascular diseases I think went down 40% you know, if you do it four to seven times a week.

Boomer Anderson 32:55
Wow. Wow. four to seven times a week is a lot from Most people, but so it’s it’s doable. it’s achievable, especially if you have that goal for cardiovascular disease.

Johannes Kettelhodt 33:06
I agree. Yeah. And

Boomer Anderson 33:08
let’s, I want to on two more points I want to make on the benefits of this muscle recovery. I am I still consider myself an athlete, even though I haven’t competed in sport. Well, I did a marathon last year, but like, you know, I haven’t professionally competed in sport in a very long time. Yeah. muscle recovery and the use of sauna How would you characterize them?

Johannes Kettelhodt 33:35
I think it’s part of what I you know, what I just said earlier, Geno’s recently is that if he exposed yourself to a sauna environment, and you know, first of all, I think you’re coming out of the fight and flight mode, even if you’re competing on a high level, or, excuse me, especially then I think you’re so exposed to a lot of stress because you have to perform. Right? So I think people don’t really talk about that because most of the studies they sort of just aim on a metabolic level. Okay, what happens actually inside the body, but what I’m a big fan of emphasizing is that you just take time to de stress you take time to self nurture to possibly meditate or just, you know, just quiet your mind so to speak. So I think that’s certainly one of these effects that we actually see, you know, on a on a sort of more stress and mental level, but in terms of muscle and and you know, muscle recovery and muscle generation, and certainly by, you know, having that increase of oxygen flow, more blood is being transported to the muscles, right. So imagine you’ve had, you know, an intense workout for an hour probably high intensity, weight, weight training, you know, your muscles are pretty much depleted, you know, from nutrients, you can’t do anything anymore. They’re just going on the sauna and you’re just relaxing but what actually happens is blood flow is increased oxygen is increasing what nutrients actually being transported to the muscles, which is you know, where you have all these little cells and Your help is telling you Okay, hey, this muscle is tired. I need to do something about it. Right? So you’re almost like cheating. You know, you’re almost like cheating the system. Because you can just speed things up by just going in the sauna. So that’s I think that’s certainly when it when it comes to muscle recovery. The interesting bit is and I, you know, I’m still puzzled by this, but Rhonda Patrick, I think she basically posted about it, where they’ve done a study with long term distance runners. Wasn’t many, I think it was only 10, you know, six to 10 that they actually looked at. But what was obvious is that they, they had them do two sauna sessions a week, right after the running for 30 minutes. Again, it was a traditional sauna. But what they could see is that after this 12 weeks is the people that use the sauna twice a week or more frequently, we’re able to run an increased distance of 32%, which means to their competitors, who didn’t use the sauna. You know, there was a 32% optimal optimization just by going in the sauna right after the workout. And that’s just such a powerful number. And I just really want to understand how exactly this all works. Right? Yeah. But it’s it’s pretty powerful, which is why we as a company, also we see, you know, lots of top athletes that actually use a sauna on Infrared Sauna as part of the workout routine as part of their, you know, recovery routine for after fight or after workout after a long run, or you’d have to see if in competitions.

Boomer Anderson 36:21
Yeah, and I certainly use it myself when I’m training a handful times a week when I can, you know, it’s nice to stack it right after that workout if you have the time. Yeah. But definitely some of the benefits you’ve noted late in the evening of getting this done. I mean, just getting into your regimen overall. Sounds like a great idea.

Johannes Kettelhodt 36:41
I agree.

Boomer Anderson 36:42
quick jump into the detox because detoxification has to me for the longest time had this really bad stereotype of being juice cleanses, and I hate that, but we’re talking about like actual detoxification here. Yeah. And so just walking through A little bit about how that works with saunas. And then I got to ask about the niacin detox. So let’s go through detox first, and then we’ll go through in detail.

Johannes Kettelhodt 37:09
Yeah, sure. I think that was actually when infrared saunas really gained a lot of popularity because there were a few advocates and a few, I think also reports that actually said that infrared saunas can detoxify four to five times more effectively than a traditional sauna. And it sort of works by well a being longer in the sauna, but also, you know, be on on on the fact that infrared works on a more cellular level, right, so we specifically spoken about fine Fred, which seems to be most effective for any, any form of detoxification, because, you know, if we look at where toxins are mostly stored, it’s pretty much around the organs, right? It’s sort of the belly fed any type of fat under the skin. That’s sort of where toxins are being stored. And, you know, we get so many different options, I guess, of how toxins can actually enter our lives whether it’s through food, you know, through air through pollution, you know, travel. And I think it just becomes quite daunting if you actually understand what, what is toxic? And how can toxins enter the body. Right? You can basically become a hypochondriac, right? Yes. And that’s, that’s an interesting one, what we’ve seen, unfortunately, you know, we’ve done a study in the US and sort of actually called for Provence who said, Oh, you know, you know, contact us if you if you feel that you have a toxicity, and so that we can help you become, you know, to detoxify yourself using a protocol. Unfortunately, I think only 2% of the people that called actually had, you know, high end high metals or high toxins, right. So, it’s just a bit of a it’s a bit of a funny thing, I guess, in society nowadays, whereas he said, like, you know, it’s a juice cleanse really a detox. I don’t know, maybe for the mind, but certainly not for the body. Right. Yeah. So and, and, and I think that’s, you know, the whole detox became really powerful with infrared saunas, and they’re still not a lot of studies out there without some studies that actually show how especially for firefighters, who are exposed to a lot of smoke and a lot of toxins, if you know, through the work simply that cancer rates have skyrocketed, which is why in some ways, actually quite a few of these firefighting centers in the US you actually see the infrared sauna as part of their job protocols. You know, okay, you are there sort of fight against the fires, you breathe and toxins and you got to detoxify that they see that. And the way I think this works is that toxins are sort of stored in the bodies had inside the body and by really by, you know, emitting that they’re having the fire, infrared being absorbed, everything sort of been shaken up inside the cells of free radicals of toxins, it’s all stored there. And they’re sort of being shaken up through the infrared heat, and then eliminated through the skin, which is the largest organ of the human body, but also through any sort of excretion. You know, and that’s just I think what the majority happens but it’s it’s a fun Unlike you see quite a lot of people who say the human body doesn’t need to detoxify, you know, all the organs can do everything and it might be true to some extent. But I think if someone really has like a lot of toxicity inside the body, then you sort of, you know, you need an external medium and it’s you can’t really mimic an infrared sauna, it’s pretty challenging to find that a nature unless you maybe do a, you know, a sweat lodge like the ancient Indians, but even Yes, sweat lodge or self rotisserie, but even then, it’s not, it’s not nearly as effective because of of innovation, and you know, that the drive for that. So that’s sort of my take on detox, you know, we see and I don’t have any studies there, but we see a lot of people who come to us and say I have metal toxicity, who then actually follow protocols such as the MD coupler protocol or the niacin detox protocol development habit, and they have tremendous successes. But then on the other side, you see people who don’t believe in that at all, and I think that’s really where, again, research has to be done in order to really reached one clear evidence. I believe in that and I know it works. But these studies out there really are quite specific when it comes to one situation or one symptom as opposed to just looking at detox in general.

Boomer Anderson 41:14
Yeah, I would love to see those studies get fun. Yeah. Just broader detoxification. Qui. The niacin protocol is fascinating to me. First off the author of it, he little bit of a controversial figure, but also like some of the pictures you see coming out of this stuff is pretty, pretty gnarly. Yeah. So nice and detox. For those who are unfamiliar, how would you describe it?

Johannes Kettelhodt 41:41
Yeah, I mean, Miami, I think nice. And so vitamin is actually vitamin d3. Yeah. So starting with that, just to debunk maybe the term here. And this protocol was actually created, I believe, from the 60s so it’s been around for quite a long time. But I think it’s gained a lot of popularity certainly in the last couple of years and there’s a huge Facebook group out there with several thousand people that really sort of you know practices and exchanges that and it seems to work otherwise you know, people wouldn’t craving wouldn’t be craving it and wouldn’t be joining this group. But basically this protocol combines nice and exercise and a sauna ideally in Infrared Sauna in order to detoxify your body. Now there are certain weeks that you can do it. And obviously over time, you’re increasing the doses of vitamin d3 on items that you take inside the body. And for those of you who haven’t tried it, when you take nice and at a fairly high doses, you get the flush.

Boomer Anderson 42:38
So yeah, you get the the Johnny red face, right, you

Johannes Kettelhodt 42:42
get a red face and sort of wander through your body starts in your face and the chest belly, you know, upper legs, lower legs, and it’s really bizarre feeling but by basically basically exercising prior to the cylinder then taking niacin just shortly before you go into the sauna and then using the cylinder for an extended The time you, you can basically detoxify your body. I haven’t done it myself. That’s why, you know, can’t really can’t really say much about it. It’s on my list to do. And I know that I think the finished biohackers they, for instance, mentioned it in their biohackers Handbook, which is great. So I believe that it works. But it’s Yeah, it’s it’s an interesting experience, probably, but it seems to be quite effective.

Boomer Anderson 43:23
Yeah, it’s quite effective. Or I’ve seen this anecdotally and all I’ve seen it be quite effective in people’s results for heavy metal detoxification in particular, things like mercury going from elevated to next to nothing very, very, very fast. Yeah, there’s a very specific protocol, though, for people to follow. So you don’t just go and blow your brains out with knio knio sn, and then and then hop into the sauna. There’s a step by step protocol and I’ll link to that in the show notes of course, so that people can check that out should they desire.

Johannes Kettelhodt 43:58
What I think is amazing is that you Now this knowledge and this, these transformations are being actually shared to the public. I mean, you notice if you want to detoxify where you can go probably to like a professional detox clinics is probably going to do like a similar protocol or maybe slightly different. And you might get the result results, I might not get the results. But I think with this group, though, you obviously don’t have access to the sauna for free, most of the time, nice and it’s not an expensive product, and you know, following this routine, if it really helps you it’s it can be a life changer. And that’s what you read in this group, you know, over and over again, that it’s actually worked for people, despite the fact that it was obviously hard because, you know, people have to detoxify. But I think that itself is something to be grateful for that you have these resources and these groups out there that share the knowledge you

Boomer Anderson 44:42
know, exactly, I mean, the democratization of information is just like such a powerful thing. And so now we can all you know, be even better have academic research was widely available, but we can all access a lot of these studies and be able to make our own informed decisions because it is your body after all. I agree. I just went down a wormhole there. All right, we should let’s let’s let’s back out and talk about clear light because that my parents have one. I love it. And you know, I’m going to have one soonish you and I should talk about that. Yeah. But one of the things that is key for all of us kind of health optimizing types. Yeah. When we look at saunas, and so evaluating different saunas is sort of how, first off is there a good framework to evaluate a sauna? And the quality of it?

Johannes Kettelhodt 45:38
There is but I think it’s quite Unfortunately, this whole whole industry is very transparent. And I think, you know, we were chatting about that before. Whereas, you know, there’s a lot of Miss claims to be made, which is why it’s getting frustrating for potential customers or customers really making an educated decision. So what we’ve done is we created a buying guide And you know, the infrared sauna buying guide helps, which aims to help you ask the right questions when speaking with numerous different manufacturers is so opinionated and everyone says oh, we get the best technology, we get x y, Zed that, you know, people actually get lost in the, in the quest of finding a suitable Infrared Sauna so to speak. So there will probably be will be my thing. I’m I’m German, so I’m a big fan of sort of quality, which is why the this whole warranty topic to me is is quite important. And, you know, I think we’ve always had a lifetime warranty for the saunas, and that’s, to me itself speaks more than words, you know, there’s no explanation required here. But I think the other big thing certainly heater technology which, which we can dive in, but I’m sure also the team, you know, the aspect of electromagnetic frequencies, electric yields, high radiation, Bluetooth, Wi Fi, that sort of thing, because you know, it’s okay with infrared sauna.

Boomer Anderson 46:57
We’re gonna we’re gonna break these down into pieces because You just went and sprayed the world with all the differences and let’s go into the I think the first one you said was more about the electro essentially the panels on the inside. Yeah. Talk to me a little bit about like the differentiator in panels because obviously that’s a huge part of the experience more about it.

Johannes Kettelhodt 47:22
Yeah, I think I mean, basically, you can, you can produce infrared saunas, infrared heat by heating up different elements in nature. I think the most commonly one used is probably ceramic. So you know, everyone knows ceramic is fairly heat resistant, that’s why you know, ceramic, you know, pots and stuff are being burned in order to make sure that they actually lost and and in the ceramic rod is basically being heated so you put electricity and the material heats up, and then infrared is being you emitted from the material to the human body. Now, because it is a very heat resistant material, it also takes a lot of energy to really heat up this material. So therefore, it’s a rather intense, it’s a really intense type of infrared. And that works great because it’s intense, but it’s also very narrow. So you don’t really have ceramic plates, but you have thin tubes that have really high concentrated output for only like a targeted a targeted section of your body, say your spine for instance. That’s what you’ll always use see the spine eaters that is, you know, long tube, and that’s been around for at least 25 years and we actually 10 years ago, we had ceramic cubes as our heaters because back then, everyone was using ceramic it was sort of the latest thing and everyone thought it was great. Then what came probably five, six years ago was carbon. So carbon is is basically carbon powder that is sort of being put on a on a plate. So similar to you know, a piece of paper, just obviously a lot bigger. And you put electricity in and gradually it heats up because the plate is not as concentrated as ceramic, and the seat is more gentle. It’s you know, it’s as more evenly distributed, I guess across the plate. So if you’re sitting in front of it, you have sort of an even heat exposure, not very centered. And then you have various other things people say magnesium, which is, you know, very similar to ceramic. It’s a thin rod that actually starts glowing, you have LEDs versus halogen. So it opens up this whole cosmos off of different materials being used. And well, we’ve developed 10 years ago was actually a unique combination of carbon and ceramic. Because obviously, we did want to ensure that the sauna gets hot enough using this you know ceramic, but we also want to ensure that it has evenly distributed heat that is being absorbed nicely by the human body. We spoke about this 9.4 microns, yeah, which is a frequency that the human body has and we wanted to generate that and you know, in terms of calculating that the surface temperature Off the heater determines the frequency of the infrared that is being exposed. So therefore a ceramic heater that runs really, really hot and probably has only a fraction of the fan fret and probably goes more into middle on the infrared because it’s more intense. Therefore, around a couple of years ago, we developed this unique combination, we call it the true wave. It’s a marketing name, but it basically is a combination of covenants ramming. So you take a carbon plate, you spray ceramic powder into it so that it actually conducts heat a lot better. And this is our heater, which is now I think, in the eighth generation has a patent because of electromagnetic reductions that we’ve actually implemented. But part of our ethos is clear that is that it’s not enough to just have a topical or like a spot treatment of an infrared sauna but the whole body treatment, which is why when you look in our cabins, you have a 360 heater placement of a sauna set all around you. The leg, you know upper body, left side right side to the front, up until shoulder height because you know he done the head itself can cause stress you know from Aveda but also I think most people know that if you if your head is really hot if you get headaches and the feel you get dizzy and stressed and that’s why we’ve positioned our heaters up to shoulder head maximum all around you to really ensure like a full body infrared experience. Amazing

Boomer Anderson 51:21
the hypoallergenic wood first off clearly is it how hypoallergenic wood?

Johannes Kettelhodt 51:27
Yeah, we have three different ones we have Nordic spruce and backward which are hypoallergenic Woods but we also have cedar which is antibacterial and antifungal. But you know if someone has an allergy towards they’re more likely to get it from Cedar. Yeah,

Boomer Anderson 51:42
got it. So it’s got it’s got that more masculine sort of musky Ron Burgundy smell.

Johannes Kettelhodt 51:46
Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Which is beautiful. Most people love it for these reasons, right. But yeah, if you just want to should just want to double check that’s probably safe is to get an hypoallergenic one.

Boomer Anderson 51:57
Okay, okay, now, let’s go On the EMF wormhole because there are other companies out there that don’t necessarily measure this very well. And as a result you can while doing your body good you can actually be doing it a little bit of harm as well. How do you guys look at EMF slash EMR in your product?

Johannes Kettelhodt 52:20
Yeah, I mean I think it’s a it’s a major it’s a major importance because it’s pretty much everywhere you know, similar to but we’re toxins are everywhere. Yes. Yes, right. Yeah, you have this five to five D stuff that’s happening at the moment which is scary. And obviously if you look at the way an infrared sauna works as well, you know you have you have a room like a closet or like a nice looking closet pretty much and you have heaters on right here right now he’s talking talked about the benefits of having that, but it also means that there’s electricity running all around you and for everyone instead of has looked into EMF and elf. Yeah, EMF stands for electromagnetic frequency. Which is an electromagnetic field that actually builds up whenever a current electricity sort of running. And if you have these heaters around you Well, it’s pretty scary because you don’t want to expose yourself to these high levels of radiation, if you actually want to detoxify and de stress relax by being in the sauna right. And I think that’s, that’s a major importance, which is why I think this whole industry now claims to have low EMF heaters, or low EMF saunas, which is probably true for some of them. But I think around 10 years ago, we started developing the heater that we did and part of this innovation that we actually brought to the table with the materials that I just spoke about, but also the fact that this heater itself has actually two sides. So for anyone who sort of remembers physics, you could actually neutralize the electromagnetic field if you have an electric magnetic field in the opposite direction, right? Okay. So if you look at the heater here and you know that electricity runs from Hit there well on the backside of a heater, there’s a heater the other way around with electricity flowing the other way so that these electromagnetic fields neutralize each other. And that itself is quite simple, but it’s also quite groundbreaking because it completely takes the EMF topic off the table. Which is why I think when you take a Gauss meter, which is the device that you know, that he that he would use to measure that the maximum spot readings that you would find on the heater directly are probably 0.5 to one milligrams, and that’s for the far infrared heaters. And where you’re actually sitting we say it’s a virtually zero EMF sauna because we’re sitting you don’t have any electromagnetic field radiation.

Boomer Anderson 54:37
It’s amazing.

Johannes Kettelhodt 54:39
really wild. It’s, it’s pretty cool. And I guess, just maybe to put that into a few comparisons in terms of numbers, the World Health Organization has defined the threshold of concern everything above three milligauss. So everything above that, you know, you should sort of try to not expose yourself too much too often. Some of them and it’s on a manufacturer isn’t what I’ve personally measured was weighs about 100 million dollars, right? So that’s 30 times of what’s actually recommended by that, who. And if the World Health Organization actually has something on that, well, then you can be pretty sure that it’s not just a hoax anymore, you know, like they, they’re rather slow moving body, but if they report on that,

Boomer Anderson 55:20
then something’s going to be true here. We should start telling people what’s on their cell phones. And the big

Johannes Kettelhodt 55:26
Yeah, I think the other one is in terms of radiation, while I’m just on that, you know, what we call YLF, extremely low frequencies, or high you know, higher radiation which is emitted from Bluetooth and Wi Fi. And this is obviously also of concern. So elf is basically an electric field. slightly different to electromagnetic fields in terms of, you know, how it’s been, has been created and the effects you know, the effects on the human body are not as thoroughly researched as EMF. But it’s it’s all it follows us. same analogy, which is if you have high electricity, you also have high electric fields. And therefore, I think we’re the only manufacturer at the moment who actually has done something about it. That’s what we call us on as low elf stoners because every heater has its grounding wire, you know, the wires are twisted, we use conduit wiring in order to reducing the extremely low frequency field, which I think is substantial in order to really ensure that your song is actually a safe space, because you know, and you can just measure it, you can just buy a Gauss meter probably for 3040 euro dollars on Amazon and just measure it up and actually see whether you sort of you know, that you’ve bought is safe or not, because if it you know, if it has high levels, and you know, don’t have to necessarily get rid of it, but just be a little bit more aware of that and see whether you can maybe get like a, you know, a building expert in who might be able to reduce it or you might have to reinvest in one.

Boomer Anderson 56:51
Amazing, amazing. You guys are releasing a near infrared add on soon, right. You talk a little bit about that.

Johannes Kettelhodt 56:59
Yeah, so The full spectrum range and all the other ones have actually in the infrared, we call it a full spectrum heater. So this heater already has in the middle and far infrared. And one, he has a very intense unit. I think what you’re referring to is a near infrared red light therapy. I always like to spell it out, because I think it’s so confusing with the different types of, you know, light and infrared. Very true. Yeah. So, yeah, that’s, that’s actually launched in the US. And we’re just getting the first prototypes for Europe and Australia, which is where sort of what our main market activities are about the effect that you are actually using with this new devices called photo bio modulation, which increases the ATP production inside your cells basically charges your cells. And it’s, you know, it’s not a gimmick, treatment or anything. I think they’re more than 500 or 600 studies out there that really show that this stuff works for muscle recovery, thyroid activation, anti aging, you know, men in their 40s 50s 60s who have, you know, slowed down testosterone production, you know, for them, it really works quite quite effectively. And I think overall, with the approach that we’re taking, we’re trying to make the sauna, your health space. It’s not just the sauna anymore, but it allows you to combine different health treatments into one device, you know, whether you want to meditate while you’re in your sauna, whether you want to work on this red light via infrared therapy, and work on photobiomodulation. You know, we’re bringing out a salt add on that sort of, you know, grind stamp them salt into really fine particles in order to be, you know, I guess in order for you to breathe them in and sort of work on your lung health. Right. And I think you can spin this endlessly when you think about Sinnott synergetic effects and so on and just, you know, really making this your number one priority for your health. Now, vitamin D, and grounding is important, like in no interest in sort of, you know, for people not to use it anymore. But if you can think about the synergies that you’ve had with a smartphone, you know, tablet and notes section, email and stuff. It’s pretty powerful. And I think that’s sort of our approach. At the moment is like, how can we actually bring more people and more value to the people that use a sauna and sort of really want to do something on your health without having to have go to the gym, then the sauna, then the massage and the meditation, sort of bringing it all together?

Boomer Anderson 59:15
The sauna as your health space, I think that’s a brilliant place to leave off and transition more into those those final six rapid fire questions. Jonas great. I mean, the the first one, this is just like a softball for you. How do you unwind?

Johannes Kettelhodt 59:35
For me, it’s actually cooking. Sometimes we are really like this ritual of taking time to prepare my food and yoga.

Boomer Anderson 59:45
big advocate of yoga. Excellent. What kind of yoga?

Johannes Kettelhodt 59:48
yoga I’m doing my training on this year. So and I think in some way, it’s more it’s also meditation as well. Right? So it’s a it’s a yoga practice. It’s not a complete yoga practice because you need that Yang element better I’ve I’ve heard this quote that says, getting medicine for the modern world.

Boomer Anderson 1:00:05
Yeah, I liking a lot as well. Just the fact that you can hold poses for minutes on end is amazing. Yeah, pick your favorite piece of technology which you purchased in the past year.

Johannes Kettelhodt 1:00:17
Well, I haven’t purchased the red light therapy but I think that comes pretty close to that. Alternatively, I would call my aura ring. Okay.

Boomer Anderson 1:00:27
What book has significantly impacted you and your how you show up to performing your life?

Johannes Kettelhodt 1:00:35
Really good question. The quite a few actually, I think a couple of years ago it was certainly it was certainly I was his name again. Jim and Jim and also living in Canada. Very big on spiritual books. Oh

Boomer Anderson 1:00:53
yeah, sir out there that I’m not somebody I’m not gonna know.

Johannes Kettelhodt 1:00:56
Yeah, yeah. Power off. Now. That was it. The power tele I got Holly. I think that was certainly for me my spiritual awakening. And then I think the other one was from Mark Manson the subtle art of not giving effect. Yeah, love those things.

Boomer Anderson 1:01:09
Yeah. Both interesting approaches to a similar goal. Yeah. favorite holiday or vacation destination,

Johannes Kettelhodt 1:01:17
who? I would probably spend a lot of time in Australia. I do and I think it always it always, you know, really gets me down like, this really grounds me. It’s, it’s gonna be Australia or South Africa.

Boomer Anderson 1:01:30
Yeah. Okay. And then

Johannes Kettelhodt 1:01:33
everything else on water and just easy going live. That’s probably district for me.

Boomer Anderson 1:01:38
Yeah, you and I live in this part of the world where No, son is just just absent. For one third, what is it five, six the year? It’s good. But Okay. What’s your best trick for enhancing your productivity

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Johannes Kettelhodt 1:02:00
You heard of the Pomodoro? technique? Yeah. Love it. Yeah, I think that’s similar to me, I get said, busy job with all these people management notifications, Whatsapp phone calls Skype that if I don’t limit myself to, you know, to these different advocated notifications and just rushing through the day I end up feeling exhausted because I haven’t done any practice work. Therefore I just have to reduce my exposure to being pulled into different directions. So therefore, yeah, definitely Pomodoro Technique.

Boomer Anderson 1:02:31
Excellent. And where can people find out more about you?

Johannes Kettelhodt 1:02:35
We are actually online, I mean, various platforms. I think LinkedIn is certainly one. We get the websites running for UK, Europe, Germany, Australia, New Zealand. And I think the next big fun project is going to be the sauna show podcast, which we’re launching very shortly.

Boomer Anderson 1:02:54
So boom, so show podcast. I’m looking for that one.

Johannes Kettelhodt 1:02:57
Exactly, because we’ve just got this no one read. You know, in that space, I mean, Rhonda Patrick is and she’s amazing. So one of the goals would certainly be to get her on the podcast, because I think generally this topic and as we, you know, the journey that we’ve had was really highlighting that there’s a lot of research to be done and a lot of really smart people to be interviewed on

Boomer Anderson 1:03:16
that topic. And there’s certainly like, this is where I find one experimentation to be very interesting. There’s a lot of people doing some fascinating stuff out there that I can look at and say like, okay, you know, maybe 20% of the time it looks like something that could actually work, but it’s worth checking out by grace. Awesome. So the show notes for this one guys are going to be at decoding superhuman, calm, slash clear light, your harness, my friend. It’s fun to get to record with you and I look forward to doing it soon in the future.

Johannes Kettelhodt 1:03:47
Yay. Thank you so much for having me. Boom. I have a big pleasure and look forward to the future.

Boomer Anderson 1:03:53
Excellent to all the superhumans listening out there have an absolutely epic All right, did you guys get something out of that one? I love Johannes’ engineering background because I get to pick his brain on how the whole EMF situation with clear light specifically works. And that to me was one of the key selling factors when I looked at it for my parents, but it’s a very different sauna from some of the other popular ones market out there, mainly due to that, but also because of so many factors that we went into on today’s podcast. If you want to check out that sauna, you can head on over to clear light internationals website and use the code Boomer for a discount. But if you enjoyed this episode if you got anything out of it whether it be a quote, a simple to do something useful, whether it be about finish, saunas, etc. share it on social media and tag me at decoding superhuman. I love hearing from you guys. Have an absolutely epic day Do you remember to stop